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put TKD and Karate in that group because they really do fit in that group,like I said when I say traditional I am just talking about arts that do useless katas,but we're not here to talk about whether katas are useless or not.
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Firstly why do you use that to difine Traditional MA's??
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Pre fight of dance of MT,what dancing movements are you talking about? Every move in MT is useful.Ever been kicked by a MuayThai round house kick or been elbowed in temple or chin,or recieved a MT knee kick to head or chest?Probably not or you wouldn't speak crap like that.We also do stand up wrestling.
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The pre fight dance is done in Thai land (maybe you dont!) it is a dance that is unique to each school. I call it a dance but it is more of a salutation.
I trained in MT for 3 years and was kicked and elbowed many times. SO yes i have been in the situation you talk about. Also the stand up clinching of MT i would hardley call grappling! It has no throwing, no real joint locking, etc etc.
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Whatever bud,you obviously know nothing about MuayThai,because self-defense is exactly what MuayThai teaches.
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MT is a ring sport! It teaches you to use the weapons available to you withing the rules inside the RING. Hence several doorman that i work with that are MT instructors have broken their fists and been stabbed.
Do you do multiple attacker practice, knife defences, awareness training, submissive conversational methods????? NO. not it traditional MT.
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We don't learn to grab to the balls or hair pulling because we are not their to go to that extent on anyone just like in any other style.
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Hmmmm - Grabbing someones balls or elbowing them to the temple?? Which is more likely to KILL! you have some strange views!
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Actually katas are pre-arranged movements (shows you know very little about katas) and the the hidden techniques in each kata are supposed to represent some self-defense as well as create strong muscles,strength in joints and take impact as you said.
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These are not hidden techniques - they are just techniques - they are not really ment to provide self defence solutions - they are there because it is a fighting art - What else would you practice in solo forms! you say that Kata are useful for concentration etc - so - thererfor they are not useless as you also say!
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I don't need you to tell me what katas are I took Goju Ryu karate for 12yrs.
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And i took Wado Ryu Karate for 5. I am not telling you anything - i am stating that your view on kata as useless is wrong - now by your own admission.
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What kind of impact exactly? Snapping kicks and punches instead of going right through with them,I don't consider it really impact although a person can still sort of get hurt,try getting kicked by a MT fighter it will hurt more because we don't snap our kicks or punches we go straight through with them,that is what I call impact.
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Go to a kyokushin school and ask one of them to punch or kick you - dont think you will have the same impression then. oh - and you wont be allowed gloves or a ring. Not saying its better than MT - just saying that other things have equally good power generation.
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Why work on strengthing stances that are useless?
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You missunderstand the intention of those stance training - you would not get into a deep horse stance when fighting would you - that is just stupid - but by training in deep stances all stance ranges above that will be effectively - comfortable - so someone that trains in deep stances will be able to hold a high stance better than someone that doesnt. Again - just a training method.
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If you practice neither karate or TKD why would I need your corrections when I have done karate,and why bother defending it?
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I was defending TMA's as this is what you wrongly titled the thread - it should have been 'TKD & Karate ....'.
You made a gross generalisation on TMA's from your obviously limited knowledge of them. There are more TMA's than Karate and TKD (these arent even Traditional IMO)!
I do not mean to offend you, or MT. MT is a fantastic TMA, it is very powerful strong and effective, from a striking point of view.
But to slur the ENTIRE TMA's community is ment to offend - hence my tone and my responce.
Cheers
Chris