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Declan · 09-22-2003, 06:13 PM

Hi, Platinum Angel.

Chin-Na is not a martial art in itself. Rather it is an aspect of Chinese combat tactics. Anyone who practises a Chinese martial art should have an understanding of Chin-Na.

Only two aspects of Chin-Na are related to grappling:
Techniques for tearing the tendons and muscles.
Techniques for dislocating or breaking bones.

However, you correctly point out that there are other aspects of Chin-Na which are more relating to striking than grappling:
Techniques for interrupting your opponent's blood flow by attacking the major blood vessels.
Techniques for interrupting your opponent's ability to breathe.
Techniques for interrupting your opponent's flow of energy by attacking acupuncture points and meridians.

Chin-Na is not designed to obtain a "standing submission" from the opponent as you seem to suggest. Grappling arts today seem to be more about getting a submission out of a single opponent in a ring (or cage) in front of an audience.

Neither Chin-Na nor any other aspect of Chinese martial arts was designed to obtain a submission. It was designed to win a fight quickly by destroying the opponent.

Chinese martial arts were designed to despatch the opponent as quickly as possible on the battlefield before his friends could come to his aid. What would be the point on the battlefield of rolling around on the ground seeking a submission from one enemy when there are hundreds of them around you with spears and swords? There is no time for such things.

Another reason Chinese martial arts don't emphasise ground fighting is that if you have trained your stance to be firm, your waist to be supple, your blocks to be effective and your strikes to be powerful, your opponent should go down without taking you with him.

People who say that fights always end up on the ground don't know how to hit and don't know how to stand so they have to rely on grappling. Fair enough, if that's how they want to fight.

With regard to "dirty fighting":
When I used to train at university, my friends in the Karate club would sometimes spar with us but then accuse us of "dirty fighting" because we used what they considered "dishonorable" tactics (I once spat a sweet I was sucking at a friend who insisted that I spar with him there and then; while he tried to cover his face from the sticky sweet, I gently tapped in the groin with my foot. Fight over).

In Chinese martial arts there is no such thing as "dirty fighting", just staying alive and doing anything to achieve that.

Kind regards,

Declan[list=1][/list=1]

09-22-2003, 06:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Declan Novice Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: England Posts: 24 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Regarding Chin-Na Hi, Platinum Angel. Chin-Na is not a martial art in itself. Rather it is an aspect of Chinese combat tactics. Anyone who practises a Chinese martial art should have an understanding of Chin-Na. Only two aspects of Chin-Na are related to grappling: Techniques for tearing the tendons and muscles. Techniques for dislocating or breaking bones. However, you correctly point out that there are other aspects of Chin-Na which are more relating to striking than grappling: Techniques for interrupting your opponent's blood flow by attacking the major blood vessels. Techniques for interrupting your opponent's ability to breathe. Techniques for interrupting your opponent's flow of energy by attacking acupuncture points and meridians. Chin-Na is not designed to obtain a "standing submission" from the opponent as you seem to suggest. Grappling arts today seem to be more about getting a submission out of a single opponent in a ring (or cage) in front of an audience. Neither Chin-Na nor any other aspect of Chinese martial arts was designed to obtain a submission. It was designed to win a fight quickly by destroying the opponent. Chinese martial arts were designed to despatch the opponent as quickly as possible on the battlefield before his friends could come to his aid. What would be the point on the battlefield of rolling around on the ground seeking a submission from one enemy when there are hundreds of them around you with spears and swords? There is no time for such things. Another reason Chinese martial arts don't emphasise ground fighting is that if you have trained your stance to be firm, your waist to be supple, your blocks to be effective and your strikes to be powerful, your opponent should go down without taking you with him. People who say that fights always end up on the ground don't know how to hit and don't know how to stand so they have to rely on grappling. Fair enough, if that's how they want to fight. With regard to "dirty fighting": When I used to train at university, my friends in the Karate club would sometimes spar with us but then accuse us of "dirty fighting" because we used what they considered "dishonorable" tactics (I once spat a sweet I was sucking at a friend who insisted that I spar with him there and then; while he tried to cover his face from the sticky sweet, I gently tapped in the groin with my foot. Fight over). In Chinese martial arts there is no such thing as "dirty fighting", just staying alive and doing anything to achieve that. Kind regards, Declan[list=1][/list=1] Last edited by Declan; 09-23-2003 at 07:53 AM.