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Originally posted by IPON
MTF - I think partly it helps to understand tradition and that GI are worn generally in japanese, korean and okinawan stlyes. with that said judogi is designed to be durable for the volume of throws. The throws and chokes that are learned in Judo come with the understanding the you should use this if a person is wearing a silk shirt. But people wear belts, pants, shirts, scarfs etc so you apply the technique as appropriate. This applies to JJJ, BJJ and Judo
Regarding the submission wrestling I would think the reason a Gi is used has less to do with the idea of street effectiveness but the simple reality that there is no historical reason to wear a GI....period. Pankration and wreslting have thier origins in Greece with pankration getting new life in japan. No offense, what your instructor says sounds logical, but there is only one uniform for wreslters thats a singlet outside of that shorts/swaetpants and t-shirt....so there is no mystery...different styles do different things. The fact that shoes are not worn in practice doesn't make me think..."umm hold on a second I can onlyfight without shoes"
With that said I love wearing a GI and would prefer to wear a GI it is especially helpful with maintainingthe grip becuase of teh volume of sweat. But I would agree if somone myopically were to use the same techiques into a fight it could be disaterous but no one trains that way.
Also, pulling somones jacket over their head.....too much arm chair theory and jackie chan for me....do you know how much time you would waste doing that and not including how vunerable you would leave yourself ........ and it only takes 1-2 sec for the throw or take down.
Anyway that is my 3.5 cents
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I realize that a Gi is traditional uniform in Jujitsu and judo just as in karate. I remember having to wear one for 12yrs.when I did karate but we didn't do grappling.
Although you are right that there is no historical reason to wear a uniform since Pankration is a greek art that never required that I would have to disagree with the statement you made that it has little to do with street effectiveness,because in fact it has alot to do with it.
What you said about not wearing shoes is a good point I have to admit though.
I don't think the techniques of Jujitsu would be dangerous only getting too used to grabbing a uniform is what I would expect to be dangerous for any street situation.
I disagree with you thinking that pulling jacket over someone's face is a waste of time and that one leaves himself to be vunerable. You can't exactly go for a leg take down if your face is covered and you can't see him so it actually would put that person with his head covered in a bad position. I know if I I had a person with a jacket come on to me and try and go for a leg take down I'd pop my hips back pulling his jacket over his face and putting my chest on his back along with all my weight then I'd either start kneeing him or spin for back and get a choke hold on him. I wouldn't need the jacket for the choke but it would be great to stop him from knowing what I am doing or about to do.
I appreciate your explainations,views and opinions even if I still don't completely understand the use of the uniform other then the tradition behind it.