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Old 12-20-2003, 08:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I've done BJJ and Judo. Judo ground work can not and will not ever be at the level of BJJ. They simply don't practice it enough and their mentality is faulty.
I have also done bjj and judo. I have a nidan in judo and a brown in bjj. My bjj belt came very quickly due to the judo I had learned previously. I assume you must be in the USA to have such a skewed opinion? As I said before, European judoka typically practice 50:50 standing:ground. More for newaza specialists. Don't draw conclusions about things you haven't experienced and are not likely to.

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And what the hell are you talking about a junior level book in german or some shit? A kid isn't going to learn the techniques of a BJJ purple belt. And that's that. At my club and most Judo clubs, kids don't even get to learn submissions until they are 13 years old.
Sounds like you are at a really bad club, shame for you. Kids learn newaza over here. Some places in the US also teach it to non adults- eg Gokor and LeBell.

There are lots of European kids judo books with newaza techs. The one I was referring to is the easily available "Judo Bodenprogramm von orangegrun bis braun" Sander und Deling. Its covers the basics of newaza for German kids belts up to brown. Its easily comparable with the stuff bjj teaches as up to a purple belt level. And thats for kids. In Japan even more comprehensive manuals are available to judo students. I didn't realise the US was in such a bad way with regards to judo and I'm really sorry.

The main difference with bjj is that bjj assumes you are an idiot and need to be taught in a prescriptive manner. Judo is more open to development of individual styles in newaza.

Basically you guys are not competitive level judoka, so you don't see the training. You also happen to live in the wrong country. You constantly confuse competition rules and the fights that result with the actal training that judoka do.
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