boxing or bare knuckle boxing training

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Pretty much the same as you. I like a lot of his stuff, but they all fall in line with everything DKI does. I could do without his disparaging comments about George Dillman though. Personal attacks like that make me question a persons motives more than anything else.

[Ironpalm]

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[Jeremy Lobdell]

Yes I am. I also train in Small Circle Jujitsu-Professor Wally Jay. He and Geroge Dillman, along with Professor Remy Presas, did all their seminars teoghter for about 20 years and were great friends and traided secrets freely. As much as I like striking points, I use them a lot more in all my joint locks. Works great for bjj too.

[Ironpalm]

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[Jeremy Lobdell]

Just because I haven't reached a level where I can utelize them doesn't mear I dismiss them out of hand. I've seen some really freaky stuff at seminars and at Dillman's camps in PA. You should check out some of the clips on Master Mark Kline's site www.markklineskarate.com He can stop a punch with chi disruption and sound. I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't experienced it first hand. I am what is considered a non-responder to the points, mainly due to all the orthapedic injuries i've had over the years, so at any seminar I would end up being the guinnea pig for knockouts, it seemed to be somewhat of a challenge for a lot of the top level masters in DKI. It was always done with my permission and for fun, but they came up with some really evil stuff to try on me, and were able to go beyond the normal stopping point of 3.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Moneymaker split off from DKI about 10 years ago to form the Dragon society. His stuff is great, but he got it from Dillman.

[Ironpalm]

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[Jeremy Lobdell]

I'll talk to ya then. Later, Jeremy

[crazyjoe380]

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