It's the same thing over n over again

[Warrior189]

It's the same thing over n over again. People are saying that a boxers don't stand a chance against other martial arts, just because boxers can't kick or anything. But thats not true I've seen a lot of boxers defeating martial artist.

[Enzo566]

..............good for you............. why do people post stupid shit like this......

who cares box because u like it or cause its a great sport not because its the ultimate system of fighting. jeez.

[Blue Wave Gym]

Many boxers have punched out TMA guys in mixed rules fights dating back to the 70's, why because the boxer was used to getting hit and the TMA guy used to light or non-contact sparring LOL. In mma Grapplers did the best then kick boxers most got their ass kicked, then boxers who also got their ass kick ed the TMA guys who really got their as kicked. Basically once the strikers were taken down it was all over. the feeling of knowing all these great strikes but being effortlessly taken down when you first start mma or grappleing should serve as a wake up call to your own reality. In a real street fight between two people there will be punching and their will be grabbing. My judo teacher who was a golden gloves guy back in the 50's always said "what's the biggest thing I can hit you with, my fist, my foot or the planet" an obvious refrence to the power of throwing someone to the hard asphalt. Grappelers have an advantage over all strikers. If a grappeler can control your body with a clinch/throw ect, take you down and control your body on the ground, he could be the worst puncher in the world and still pummel you to death. A great puncher, kicker or whatever else kind of striker, loses all his self defense ability if he doesn't immediately ko the grappler, or if the grappler is able to attain and control the clinch. The striker will then be set up for some kind of off ballance or throw. It's not the way I want it to be but it 's just the way it is, life ain't fair. Remember that there are no rules in a street fight so there's no way to cheat or get disqualified so weapons, and improvised weapons come into play as well. So the order of who'd win in a street fight would be 1. grappler
2. boxer
3. *experienced street fighter with no formal training
4. average joe who doesn' know anything
* I actually think the experienced street fighter would definately give the boxer a run for his money

[Enzo566]

What about a shoot fighter... AHA i think ive found the middle ground lol.

[shirase]

id put MMArtist above grappler

[Enzo566]

shoot fighting is grappling and Maui Thai mixed.... wouldnt u say that is kinda MMA?

[HtTKar]

I like how grappler includes anyone that can grapple. Whereas boxing is very specific. So any grappler is going to win any streetfight? Most anybody would get destroyed by a seasoned street-fighter. Most anybody would get beat by a seasoned fighter of anykind. Period. I guess I just dont live in an area where there are seasoned Grapplers walking around destroying everybody.

[GonzoStyles]

from mikemiles.com

Full Contact Tae Kwon-Do vs. Boxing

During this year Houston is host to one of the biggest farces ever. The event is called 'Karate Masters versus Boxing Professionals and International Martial Arts Demonstrations'. Barely 300 fans attend what has been billed as the "first major fight between professional Boxers and Karate Masters." It was not Karate's finest hour with Karate losing all of the bouts, 2 by knockout, resulting in the Martial Arts losing face. Lightweight Chong Lee (2 time Korean Champion) against boxer Termite Watkins. Lee looks great in the 1st round with fast high kicks but Watkins just slips the kicks and forces the Korean to the ropes and drives in flurries of body punches. It is 3 rounds of the same. By round 4 and at 1 minute and 53 seconds into the round Watkins drives in punches that drop the Korean for the count. Dong Wook Lee (World Champion and 2 time member of the Korean National Tae Kwon Do Team) against Boxer Gene Wells. Wells midsection becomes red from the kicks but he drops the Korean in the 1st round. In the 2nd round and at 1 minute and 5 seconds (after 3 more knockdowns of the Korean) Wells puts an end to it with a blow flush to the jaw of the Korean. The final bout featured Master Yong Tae Lee against Boxer Mike Quarry. Lee can not get his way and he resorts to headbutting the boxer. Lee storms out of the ring when he is informed to cease and desist from using the head butt. Spectators were convinced they were ripped off and many demand their money back or leave the facility shaking their heads.

[HtTKar]

That's too bad. I think that would be a great event to watch. One thing though, if the martial artists are allowed to use headbutts then the boxers should be allowed to use some of their dirty tactics.
headbutts, elbows, shoulder shrugs, rub their beard in opponents eyes, thumbs, etc. Personally I would have no problem with that. This guy running out of the ring shows he's a true coward. He knew the rules before he stepped in, couldnt win, and ran off crying. Like a little kid, he took his ball and went home. Really though, I think that if events like this had more publicity, they would draw larger crowds and higher quality talent. Is there anywhere that a video of this event can be seen?

[Hands of Stone]

Originally Posted by Warrior189

It's the same thing over n over again. People are saying that a boxers don't stand a chance against other martial arts, just because boxers can't kick or anything. But thats not true I've seen a lot of boxers defeating martial artist.

Yeah sure, that's why pro boxers like Francois Botha and Shannon Briggs kicked butt against MMA/Muay Thai fighters in K-1 and Pride. Most Muay Thai fighters have glass jaws and the same for BJJ/grapplers. They're not used to taking a shot from a skilled boxer, and it's usually lights out when they do.

[gregimotis]

Look honestly - Why do people care so much about which martial art is better than which?



Decide why you're training (presumably because you like you're sport/art and want to excel in it) and don't get sidetracked with this 'mine is bigger than yours' crap.



If you are striving hard for what you want, then people of worth will respect you. Worthless people will not respect you anyway.

[m.artist]

Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

Many boxers have punched out TMA guys in mixed rules fights dating back to the 70's, why because the boxer was used to getting hit and the TMA guy used to light or non-contact sparring LOL. In mma Grapplers did the best then kick boxers most got their ass kicked, then boxers who also got their ass kick ed the TMA guys who really got their as kicked. Basically once the strikers were taken down it was all over. the feeling of knowing all these great strikes but being effortlessly taken down when you first start mma or grappleing should serve as a wake up call to your own reality. In a real street fight between two people there will be punching and their will be grabbing. My judo teacher who was a golden gloves guy back in the 50's always said "what's the biggest thing I can hit you with, my fist, my foot or the planet" an obvious refrence to the power of throwing someone to the hard asphalt. Grappelers have an advantage over all strikers. If a grappeler can control your body with a clinch/throw ect, take you down and control your body on the ground, he could be the worst puncher in the world and still pummel you to death. A great puncher, kicker or whatever else kind of striker, loses all his self defense ability if he doesn't immediately ko the grappler, or if the grappler is able to attain and control the clinch. The striker will then be set up for some kind of off ballance or throw. It's not the way I want it to be but it 's just the way it is, life ain't fair. Remember that there are no rules in a street fight so there's no way to cheat or get disqualified so weapons, and improvised weapons come into play as well. So the order of who'd win in a street fight would be 1. grappler
2. boxer
3. *experienced street fighter with no formal training
4. average joe who doesn' know anything
* I actually think the experienced street fighter would definately give the boxer a run for his money

"So the order of who'd win in a street fight would be 1. grappler
2. boxer
3. *experienced street fighter with no formal training
4. average joe who doesn' know anything
* I actually think the experienced street fighter would definately give the boxer a run for his money"

That's not true at all. As a matter of fact, that's more biast than anything. The person who will win will be the fastest, strongest, and all-around better athlete. A guy who has good stamina, and reach is better. It doesn't matter if you're a grappler, striker, or whatever.The guy in better shape will win everytime.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

Many boxers have punched out TMA guys in mixed rules fights dating back to the 70's, why because the boxer was used to getting hit and the TMA guy used to light or non-contact sparring LOL. In mma Grapplers did the best then kick boxers most got their ass kicked, then boxers who also got their ass kick ed the TMA guys who really got their as kicked. Basically once the strikers were taken down it was all over. the feeling of knowing all these great strikes but being effortlessly taken down when you first start mma or grappleing should serve as a wake up call to your own reality. ......

Do you consider Judo to be a traditional MA or a grappling art?

Perhaps you could check your dates because there was a boxer back in the early sixties that had the misfortune of stepping into the ring with Gene LeBelle.

His name was Milo Savage (ranked 5th light heavy in the world)
Dec 2. 1963 Salt lake City, Utah

Gene put him to sleep.

Savage was out for almost twenty minutes...

It's in his book and the story was reprinted in the May issue of Grappling.

[Tant01]

[quote=m.artist..... The person who will win will be the fastest, strongest, and all-around better athlete. A guy who has good stamina, and reach is better. It doesn't matter if you're a grappler, striker, or whatever.The guy in better shape will win everytime.[/QUOTE]


Not "everytime". Sometimes the smarter fighter wins, sometimes the stronger.

An old out of shape PRO boxer can step into the ring and take out guys half his age and in WAY better shape...

There are exceptions to every rule.
Runners, swimmers and cyclists are in good shape but how well do they fight? What about hocky players?
Darwin wasn't exactly known for his kungfu but he put it this way;
"Tis is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."

[m.artist]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Not "everytime". Sometimes the smarter fighter wins, sometimes the stronger.

An old out of shape PRO boxer can step into the ring and take out guys half his age and in WAY better shape...

There are exceptions to every rule.
Runners, swimmers and cyclists are in good shape but how well do they fight? What about hocky players?
Darwin wasn't exactly known for his kungfu but he put it this way;
"Tis is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."

You make a valid point, but when it comes to the average street fight, it's pretty obvious before the fight even begins (most of the time) who will win. You have to be smart, and have great reflexes to beat someone in better shape than you are.
IMHO