Which is your philosophy? - Page 2

Blue Wave Gym · 12-06-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

To put Kudo's words into simple, modern english, there's no such thing as pure defense. At least, not if you plan to win. All defense, and I do mean that - ALL defense - should be a part of the offense itself. A defense is nothing more than a setup for the offense to follow. A slip makes the other man miss, but you use it so that he'll be off balance and out of position when you counter. A parry knocks a jab away, but the point is to open the line for your own follow-up.

If you're defending just to avoid the hit, you're playing only half the game.

Once again mike knocks it out of the park it's like we have a vulcan mind meld or something your write the exact same things I think as pertains to fighting. defense without couters, a jab at least, is just a waste of energy.

TheTerror · 12-13-2006, 10:37 AM

Cry in the dojo, Laugh on the battlefield---Some Samurai Guy

To conquer a fear you must first accept that it is inevitable to overcome---Yours Truly

kanik · 01-31-2007, 04:39 PM

best defence is a good offence... Thats what my dad tought me when i was like 3-4 years old, and i still stand by it, i have allways had that knowledge, but even then i have allways been a defensive fighter, and anytime i trry to fight anyone even slightly offensive they kick the crap outa me, ever since i've been putting my mind more on attack then defend, and ever since i stopped caring whether i take a hit or not, is when i have actually started fighting much better.

DickHardman · 01-31-2007, 07:35 PM

defense and offense become one when you fight using counterattacks.

SamuraiGuy · 01-31-2007, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTerror

Cry in the dojo, Laugh on the battlefield---Some Samurai Guy

Dont remember saying that.....

Tom Yum · 01-31-2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

Dont remember saying that.....

You talk in your sleep.

MilkAndInnards · 03-02-2007, 04:06 AM

"Defense is only necessary so you can continue to be offensive"

But personally I'm a counter boxer

slayer31 · 03-02-2007, 08:21 AM

if we are talking bare knuckle street... definitely your offense is your best defense. ive seen people try and cover up in the streets and its just so much easier to slip punches past their guard. also depends on who you are fighting... inexperienced guys come with those wild haymakers or telegraphed straight which are both very easy to elude.

fozzy40 · 03-02-2007, 01:52 PM

I agree with Mike Brewer. It's almost a philosophical question: what is YOUR definition of defense? Is it just blocking? Does parrying or slipping count as defense if your intention is to gain an offensive position? If so, at what point during a parry does it become offensive? Is it when you extend your are or your leg with the intention of striking? What about when you jab at an opponent for timing your strike vs. jabbing to disrupt their timing?

haha...we can go all day with this! Good thread though...

fozzy40 · 03-02-2007, 01:53 PM

Oh yeah, I voted for the best defense is a good offense

eXcessiveForce · 03-02-2007, 03:53 PM

as boxing is a sport in which the object is to win, which cannot be accomplished without scoring a strong offense would be the most important. The first shot could land and be a knock out,

You probably aren't going to get a knockout from your defense.

MRLFTHOOK2U · 03-20-2007, 06:31 PM

Take it from the person who more than likely has the most boxing experience on this forum...ME

2 bums off the street can throw punches at each other, what makes a fighter special is his ability to slip punches and work angles.....I dont even bother showing ne thing more than the jab and head movement/parrying/footwork for a fighters first 3 weeks in the gym...Without head movement and stepping the angle u have a normal run of the mill fighter

DickHardman · 03-20-2007, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXcessiveForce

as boxing is a sport in which the object is to win, which cannot be accomplished without scoring a strong offense would be the most important. The first shot could land and be a knock out,

You probably aren't going to get a knockout from your defense.

if you know how to counter attack well, its possible.

g-bells · 03-21-2007, 07:50 AM

atttack-both offensively and defensively

Tant01 · 03-22-2007, 07:29 PM

The old saying “The best defense is a good offence” is often twisted and debated but it holds true for fighters and foot ball alike.

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03-02-2007, 08:21 AM	#23 (permalink)
slayer31 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston Beat Down Posts: 106	if we are talking bare knuckle street... definitely your offense is your best defense. ive seen people try and cover up in the streets and its just so much easier to slip punches past their guard. also depends on who you are fighting... inexperienced guys come with those wild haymakers or telegraphed straight which are both very easy to elude. __________________ Almost everything -- all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose.

03-02-2007, 03:53 PM	#26 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,828	as boxing is a sport in which the object is to win, which cannot be accomplished without scoring a strong offense would be the most important. The first shot could land and be a knock out, You probably aren't going to get a knockout from your defense. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

03-21-2007, 07:50 AM	#29 (permalink)
g-bells Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 194	atttack-both offensively and defensively __________________ " not all who wonder are lost "

03-22-2007, 07:29 PM	#30 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,925	The old saying “The best defense is a good offence” is often twisted and debated but it holds true for fighters and foot ball alike. __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

12-13-2006, 10:37 AM	#17 (permalink)
TheTerror Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evarts, Ky Posts: 12	Cry in the dojo, Laugh on the battlefield---Some Samurai Guy To conquer a fear you must first accept that it is inevitable to overcome---Yours Truly

01-31-2007, 04:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
kanik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 239	best defence is a good offence... Thats what my dad tought me when i was like 3-4 years old, and i still stand by it, i have allways had that knowledge, but even then i have allways been a defensive fighter, and anytime i trry to fight anyone even slightly offensive they kick the crap outa me, ever since i've been putting my mind more on attack then defend, and ever since i stopped caring whether i take a hit or not, is when i have actually started fighting much better.

01-31-2007, 07:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	defense and offense become one when you fight using counterattacks.

03-02-2007, 04:06 AM	#22 (permalink)
MilkAndInnards Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 27	"Defense is only necessary so you can continue to be offensive" But personally I'm a counter boxer

03-02-2007, 01:52 PM	#24 (permalink)
fozzy40 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 104	I agree with Mike Brewer. It's almost a philosophical question: what is YOUR definition of defense? Is it just blocking? Does parrying or slipping count as defense if your intention is to gain an offensive position? If so, at what point during a parry does it become offensive? Is it when you extend your are or your leg with the intention of striking? What about when you jab at an opponent for timing your strike vs. jabbing to disrupt their timing? haha...we can go all day with this! Good thread though...

03-02-2007, 01:53 PM	#25 (permalink)
fozzy40 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 104	Oh yeah, I voted for the best defense is a good offense

03-20-2007, 06:31 PM	#27 (permalink)
MRLFTHOOK2U Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 16	Take it from the person who more than likely has the most boxing experience on this forum...ME 2 bums off the street can throw punches at each other, what makes a fighter special is his ability to slip punches and work angles.....I dont even bother showing ne thing more than the jab and head movement/parrying/footwork for a fighters first 3 weeks in the gym...Without head movement and stepping the angle u have a normal run of the mill fighter

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