Sparring with heavier dude..Need Help

[white devil]

Hey,yesterday i sparred with a much heavier guy than me.I'm middleweight (160lb) and he was about heavyweight around(205lbs).My reach was about 2cm longer(which is not that much but im used to box smaller opponents..I'm 6'1 by the way.

Anyways,im the out-boxer type so i kept jabbing my way in with one-twos and got the hell out of there..or clinched.But this guy kept looking for a brawl and as soon as i would get in he wouldnt let me out.I don't like fighting middle-range with heavier guys because i can tell you his punch were really heavy and damaging!I have good footwork but it seems i couldnt use it to my advantage as he would always rush rush and rush into my long jabs.So i tried to in-fight but everytime i would get too close he would step back and get back to medium range where he is comfortable.(at least more than i am)

What do you guys think about sparring with a (much) higher-weight class oponent? and what can i do not to get into a brawling medium range fight?(countering is not an option here)

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by white devil

Hey,yesterday i sparred with a much heavier guy than me.I'm middleweight (160lb) and he was about heavyweight around(205lbs).My reach was about 2cm longer(which is not that much but im used to box smaller opponents..I'm 6'1 by the way.

Anyways,im the out-boxer type so i kept jabbing my way in with one-twos and got the hell out of there..or clinched.But this guy kept looking for a brawl and as soon as i would get in he wouldnt let me out.I don't like fighting middle-range with heavier guys because i can tell you his punch were really heavy and damaging!I have good footwork but it seems i couldnt use it to my advantage as he would always rush rush and rush into my long jabs.So i tried to in-fight but everytime i would get too close he would step back and get back to medium range where he is comfortable.(at least more than i am)

What do you guys think about sparring with a (much) higher-weight class oponent? and what can i do not to get into a brawling medium range fight?(countering is not an option here)

hit harder.

[white devil]

i read in the book we were exchanging just a while ago,(by Jack Dempsey) about the ''falling step''..but didnt quite get how it worked..said it served for long range power shots but i dont understand how it's suppose to work..(''take a long akward step,bend your knees..etc )...anyone does?

[EmptyneSs]

if he keeps rushing into your jabs, you need to hit him harder, and and fallow it up with the cross. you need to make him respect your punches enough to not want to keep rushing in like that. use double jabs. hit him with some hard body shots to slow him down. dont let him back you up ever, keep circling and keep throwing that jab into his face. if he advances hit him hard with your right. even if u dont hit him, once he realizes there is heat on your punches it can make him be more careful wich will play to your advantage more. if he rushes in with his head, just circle to the side and push his head away from you. use uppercuts if needed with your jab. use the jab for range, and either you wait for him to try to rush in or intentionally let him get under your jab so he can put himself in position for your waiting right uppercut. try to parry his shots to make him have to re adjust to you and counter his attacks.

and btw, jack depmsys style of boxing is more than 100 years old lol, the art has evolved greatly since then. it aint even the same thing. he was great in his time, but we do not live in his time.

[white devil]

thanks empty..that all make sense

and btw, jack depmsys style of boxing is more than 100 years old lol, the art has evolved greatly since then. it aint even the same thing. he was great in his time, but we do not live in his time.

well actually the book was written in 1950.. and if you read some of it carefully you might realize that there are stuff in there that are basicaly unkown to most trainers...and i can tell you that old-school boxers such as dempsey or marciano were living the the ''era'' where the neutral corner didnt exist and where 15+ rounds were fought..and where the referee stops the fight only when he's sick of counting all the downs.Plus dempsey wrote it way after he retired...so id still appreciate if someone could explain the ''falling step'' to me.

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by white devil

thanks empty..that all make sense



well actually the book was written in 1950.. and if you read some of it carefully you might realize that there are stuff in there that are basicaly unkown to most trainers...and i can tell you that old-school boxers such as dempsey or marciano were living the the ''era'' where the neutral corner didnt exist and where 15+ rounds were fought..and where the referee stops the fight only when he's sick of counting all the downs.Plus dempsey wrote it way after he retired...so id still appreciate if someone could explain the ''falling step'' to me.

dempsy was born in the 1800's bro. they have some footage from some of his fights in the early 1900's and if you watch you will see that it looks nothing like modern boxing. thats why there is stuff in the book you never seen anywere else lol.

[white devil]

William Harrison "Jack" Dempsey (June 24, 1895–May 31, 1983), is an American heavyweight boxer who held the World heavyweight title between 1919 and 1926. Twenty-six of his opponents were knocked out in round one.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dempsey

He died old enough to see such fighters as duran,leonard,ali and hearns didnt he?..i doubt he based his boxing experience only on ''his'' fights did he?

[EmptyneSs]

i havent seen the book, does it incorporate modern boxing as well ? cause if not, here is some actual footage of dempsey fighting
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=jack+dempsey

look for yourself, you can see that it looks completely different from modern boxing.

[white devil]

Dempsey wrote a book on boxing, Championship Fighting: Explosive Punching and Aggressive Defence, which was published in 1950. Although the book has been out of print for the past 56 years, many boxers-- professional and amateur alike-- have continued to praise it as "the finest treatise on boxing ever written (source to follow)." The book was also seen as a turning point in boxing, as it was the first serious study of the sweet science. Dempsey, thanks to this book, has been proclaimed by some to be the world's first modern boxer.

here's the link buddy..im sure you will change your mind on Dempsey.
http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf

[EmptyneSs]

ill check it out and get back to you on it.

[GQchris]

great thread guys.. white devil, where can I get a copy of Dempsey's book you mentioned?

[white devil]

the link is above Chris..(in pdf format)http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf

(the whole book is there) it's ''supposed'' to be worth hundred of dollars...but someone managed to make an online version..i suggest you download it on your comp while it's still available.

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

i havent seen the book, does it incorporate modern boxing as well ? cause if not, here is some actual footage of dempsey fighting
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=jack+dempsey

look for yourself, you can see that it looks completely different from modern boxing.

Thanks for the link! A lot of his punches looked pretty sloppy, but they made up for it by being really fvcking hard.

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by white devil

so id still appreciate if someone could explain the ''falling step'' to me.

The "Falling Step" Jab or lead "Jolt" Jab is basically a way of getting more power into your Jab and basically being able to throw a lead cross and a rear cross.The technique is rather quite simple......all you do stomp your front foot on the floor as hard as you can and the second it lands throw out the jab so it hits with added body weight.

[>:)]

You have to be leaning forward with your rear heel raised. Then you just fall foward really fast, and get the punch and the stomp to land exactly at the same time. The louder the stomp the better. But you've got to feel you're falling forward when you do it rather than just take a step forward to get your weight into the jab. Not as easy as it looks!