1 Punch KO

[medic06]

Originally Posted by Red Rum

As I keep reiterating, I am not doubting the effectiveness of a boxers punch.
I just find wing chun punches better. It is what I have found in my (limited) experience in boxing and wing chun. If I have to wait 24 years to get my boxing punches better than wing chun then I'll stick with the wing chun

The point I was making about holding out a punch was that if your punch cannot be pushed back, it must mean that the delivery of that punch will be improved as it's structure is better. It's like hitting someone with a bent iron bar (boxing) or a solid iron bar (wing chun)



I don't have access to a computer at home and can't get YOUTUBE which is very frustrating. As I have said, vids aren't brilliant - I could easily fake a 'wing chun' vid showing me throw someone across a room with a punch and it would fool most. The best thing to do is come on over to a Kamon class when you can, and just ask one of the instructors.

I fear that your punching in wing chun has been taught too traditionally, and like ThaiBri you have had bad experiences with wing chun in your training.
I am only making assumptions here, as after 16 years of wing chun, you should be a smashing machine

One of our guys who had trained less than that sent a guy to hospital after a light punch that connected to the chest.

I have been to other martial art schools and I am hard pressed to find one better than Kamon. Wing chun is one of those arts that looks bad because when people fight they tend to use opponents who fall over after the slightest contact. I am attempting to make a video showing the brutal nature of wing chun and will post it when it gets filmed.

I understand your passion for boxing. I enjoy it too.
However my last comment on this subject....
I stood toe to toe with a pro boxer once. It took him eight hits to get me down
I stood toe to toe with Master Chan - it took him one hit to get me down
Go figure

You're telling a JKDer he's trained his Wing Chun too traditionally?????

Wow, it's gets deeper and deeper.

[medic06]

Check it out

YouTube - Kyokushin Karate vs Wing Chun

[medic06]

YouTube - Wing Chun - superior blocking

[WildWest.]

Wing Chun punches are harder than Boxing punches??

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

[Red Rum]

Originally Posted by medic06

You're telling a JKDer he's trained his Wing Chun too traditionally?????

Wow, it's gets deeper and deeper.

No I just assumed he had as he believed his wing chun punches weren't that powerful. There is a lot of differences between wing chun schools. I have seen masters who have folded under the weakest of opponents, and others who have taken out the hardest of opponents.

Unfortunately, living in different countries does not help.

I haven't seen Mike box, and he hasn't seen me do wing chun. So it doesn't really help the debate that much.

Again I can't view the videos that have been posted which is a shame but I have trained in Kyokishinkai Karate under Steve Arnell and I still train with a lot of the guys. They are some of the hardest strikers in the world and acknowledge that a wing chun punch is just different.

If I had the opportunity of my opponent standing flat on to me with his guard down then yeah I would use a boxing punch or karate punch.
If he puts up hands and starts to move around then I am inclined to use wing chun. That is my choice and that is what works for me. Maybe you're right - maybe I need to train longer in boxing

Regards

[Red Rum]

What I mean is - two experienced boxers in the ring - if one just hits out and the opponent keeps guards up, he will be there a long time....

So there is no point me trying to hit the guy over and over again. Wing chun should sort it out...

[Bigbadade]

WILD WEST - I have trained Wing Chun many years and My Family have run a Boxing Gym for years, we have 5 golden glove champs. It has nothing to do with the art it is to do with the PERSON throwing the punch. There are many factors which determine power, Speed being one of them.

Two people of similar weight height etc may not have the same punching power when throwing the same punch. Fighting and martial arts effectiveness have a lot to do with the person.

Heres a story: a man called OP (One Punch) knew no martial arts never even boxed but had a curiously power punch and a uncanny knack of being able to knock a chap down in One Punch, Hence the Nickname. A local martial arts instructor and local hard nut went to the pub where he drinks picked a fight and the hard nut got knocked out. A top rated martial artist and local doorman knocked out in one by a man who never did martial arts of any variety and all he did was go to work, have a quiet drink and then go home. Explanations are invited

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

An example..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVE9yE3t-Mo

Mike, that video was freaking awesome!

[Red Rum]

Mike,

I wasn't saying that you don't pick holes in your opponent - I understand and use this concept a lot. What I meant was that in any boxing event, if one guy just defends, it will be a long time before his opponent creates a gap and knocks him out

Therefore I fall back on the wing chun in that kind of situation.

As I said, I probably do need to go and revisit my boxing. I was just quoting from my experience, where I have taken out good boxers using wing chun.

I am always willing to play around with boxers (or they play around with me!!!), and I have won open bare knuckle tournies against boxers

I just don't like people dismissing wing chun so quickly. Yes it does have gaps in the system but as martial artists we fix these gaps.

[medic06]

Originally Posted by Red Rum

I just don't like people dismissing wing chun so quickly.

It's ionic that you would say this considering that you have been dismissing other styles since you've got on this forum.

[Thai Bri]

Originally Posted by Bigbadade

WILD WEST - I have trained Wing Chun many years and My Family have run a Boxing Gym for years, we have 5 golden glove champs. It has nothing to do with the art it is to do with the PERSON throwing the punch. There are many factors which determine power, Speed being one of them.

Two people of similar weight height etc may not have the same punching power when throwing the same punch. Fighting and martial arts effectiveness have a lot to do with the person.

Heres a story: a man called OP (One Punch) knew no martial arts never even boxed but had a curiously power punch and a uncanny knack of being able to knock a chap down in One Punch, Hence the Nickname. A local martial arts instructor and local hard nut went to the pub where he drinks picked a fight and the hard nut got knocked out. A top rated martial artist and local doorman knocked out in one by a man who never did martial arts of any variety and all he did was go to work, have a quiet drink and then go home. Explanations are invited

Here's mine.

You made it up.

[Red Rum]

Originally Posted by medic06

It's ionic that you would say this considering that you have been dismissing other styles since you've got on this forum.

I have not!! I have given people advice using my experience and my experience alone. In the Aikido forum I mentioned that what I had experienced did not work. The people who showed me the Aikido had several opportunities to demo their stuff.

As I have said there are no styles better than others overall, but some styles are better for certain situations. A grappler trying to use BJJ against five guys is not really going to work (unless they employ other martial arts).

Similarly, wing chun will fall down if you come across a boxer in open space. You need to close him down or its game over.

I enjoy wing chun because I have adapted it to accomodate boxing, grappling/clinchwork and weapons.

[Bigbadade]

Thai Bri is it made up. I'll send him around your house if you like

[medic06]

Originally Posted by Red Rum

I have not!! I have given people advice using my experience and my experience alone. In the Aikido forum I mentioned that what I had experienced did not work. The people who showed me the Aikido had several opportunities to demo their stuff.

As I have said there are no styles better than others overall, but some styles are better for certain situations. A grappler trying to use BJJ against five guys is not really going to work (unless they employ other martial arts).

Similarly, wing chun will fall down if you come across a boxer in open space. You need to close him down or its game over.

I enjoy wing chun because I have adapted it to accomodate boxing, grappling/clinchwork and weapons.

Fair enough, I retract said statement. Just say you don't like hook punches and be done with it. . .

[Red Rum]

Originally Posted by medic06

Fair enough, I retract said statement. Just say you don't like hook punches and be done with it. . .

I never said I don't like hook punches. I have been knocked out by a few!
I just meant that wing chun striking would be a preference for me when I am up close to an attacker.

I found a post today that mentioned about how there are a lot more boxers in the world today than kung fu guys. I would say that if I am fighting an average guy in the street, there is a good chance that he has done boxing previously (a lot more of a chance than him doing kung fu), which means that I want to avoid getting into sparring distance with him. Even if he isn't that good of a boxer, he has the opportunity to still get a couple in. Therefore, generally I would prefer wing chun.

I spoke to a few of our instructors about this and they pointed out that boxing is good, but if I ever came across someone bigger than me, I would be in trouble.;