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Old 10-27-2006, 06:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Fist 1 Punch KO

Pretty interesting method of measuring the power of a punch would like to see what i could do to that dummy..



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Do they really expect us to believe that a boxer's punch is the equivalent of a blow from a sledgehammer
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Do they really expect us to believe that a boxer's punch is the equivalent of a blow from a sledgehammer
The way the punch is delivered, it wouldn't surprise me.

I saw that show. They had some amazing stuff on there.
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Old 10-28-2006, 02:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
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look how weaksauce that kung fu punch is. that guys method of punching is deeply flawed.
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look how weaksauce that kung fu punch is. that guys method of punching is deeply flawed.
Yep.

The part of the show that's about weapons... that was amazing.
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Old 11-17-2006, 12:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I love the pseudo-science in this clip. Its hilairious.
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Thats fair enough but they were trying to measure which technique had the "knockout power", not the person which is were the phrase "pseudo science" comes in. There's too many variables. Look at the size of the boxer and compare him to the kung-fu fella. If they were of roughly equal weight and muscle mass than this could be considered scientific, like you said on the 1 punch KO thread, the entire concept is a little silly.
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I liked the show also. I would have liked to see more techniques used on the dummy, such as Thai round kick, elbows, front kicks, spinning kicks, total force generated from a combination of techniques etc. It was a scientific study looking at how MAist's generate their power by evaluating their techniques. This is very worthwhile. It will never tell you how to fight or win a fight and they mentioned this during the breaking section where those 2 guys could generate massive power but for one hit only and, to win a fight, you must actually connect first! This was never the shows aim though and they never once said "you should choose style ......... in order to win a fight". It was a study on techniques.

Mike's correct in that it is man vs man. But you can still evaluate the different ways of punching and kicking according to how that particular style teaches it. And certain ways of punching and kicking will still generate more power than others. I believe that even if the Kung Fu guy was the same size as the boxer, his punch would be stronger but still not as powerful as the boxers due to the punching technique boxing uses. This is why I wanted to see more techniques used, specifically the TKD round kick to the Thai round kick for example. Despite the differences in size, technique will still determine what is a more powerful technique.

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yea ive seen this stuff too but i think they forget to add a few things. a person would probably be moving when in a fight. so they should of added a little motoin the the dummy. also they cant eliminate the exact location of the strick, which can change the outcome.

and yea i was dissapointed at the result of the kung fu...
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I just love the way it completely aggrandises boxing over all the others. "It's good old fashioned boxing that....", "Boxing may not be as exotic as the oriental martial arts..." and "The boxer strikes with almost 1,000 pounds of force almost 25% more than karate and taekwondo, almost double that of kung-fu.". Erm. Right. I'm not gonna debate that boxing has the best punching because thats all it does but the presentation of this show was terrible. I mean the guy might as well have said "Chinks can't punch. USA! USA USA USA!"

Equal to the power of a sledgehammer. Ok the guy who produced this show can take a sledgehammer to the face and I'll get punched and we can discuss it later, if he still has a freakin jaw.
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Piston, he's saying the force (lbs) of the sledgehammer is the same amount as the fists amount
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That's a pretty cool video!
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Yeah I realise that but I still (with good reason) fucking well doubt it.
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I would have liked to see more techniques used on the dummy, such as Thai round kick, elbows, front kicks, spinning kicks, total force generated from a combination of techniques etc.
This is why I wanted to see more techniques used, specifically the TKD round kick to the Thai round kick for example.
A discussion on the power of different kicks of different MA would be a good thread discussion if there is not already one on this forum. IMO snap kicks, roundhouse or front, are not as powerful as a Muay Thai RH kick or a teep (foot jab) off of the back leg with the heal. I have held the pad for both. The MT RHK is much more powerful than the snap RHK.
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yeh as mentioned before there were to many variables that werent considered, the least that they could have done is got people of the same weight and tryed a few different poeple from the different arts, or let them do a couple of punches in case the first sucked.
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