Fernando Vargas Vs Ricardo Mayorga

[Uke]

This is going to be one of those fun fights. You know, where two guys get in the ring and try to beat the hell out of each other. I can't pick a winner because both are pretty much scrubs at this point, but I do believe that Vargas is the better boxer. Then again, Mayorga has shown more heart.

I don't care who wins. It would be something if these guys came out and put on a Gatti/Ward type bout, but I suspect that it'll be more like a Don Frye/Yoshihiro Takayama fight. Two guys blasting each other with everything they've got.

I LOVED the pre-fight hype. They were cursing at each other in Spanish and talking trash. They both know they need a payday so they went all out to sell this fight. Hilarious.

Don't miss this one on 9/08/07/

[Hardball]

Even scrubs can be exciting especially if they are throwing the big bombs.

[Uke]

Originally Posted by Hardball

Even scrubs can be exciting especially if they are throwing the big bombs.

Absolutely. Gatti/Ward was a match between a C and D fighter, but it was by far that best fight of that year. It doesn't take very skilled boxers to put on great matches. Just a willingness to fight, the heart to keep going once you're rocked, and the desire to finish strong and maybe, just maybe even win.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

i just hope Vargas performs much better than he did in the movie Alpha Dog starring justin timberlake

[Uke]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

i just hope Vargas performs much better than he did in the movie Alpha Dog starring justin timberlake

I'm sitting here shocked to know that someone spent the two hours to watch it.

[Hardball]

Mayorga lives an idiots lifestyle(considering he's a pro athelete) with the smoking and drinking but he can sure nuff brawl. I hope the old Mayorga shows up to entertain the crowd with one of his big knockout performances.

[Uke]

Originally Posted by Hardball

Mayorga lives an idiots lifestyle(considering he's a pro athelete) with the smoking and drinking but he can sure nuff brawl. I hope the old Mayorga shows up to entertain the crowd with one of his big knockout performances.

Take this into consideration Hardball:

Mayorga's only notable victories are over Vernon Forrest in their first match, and Andrew Lewis who wasn't much of a boxer from the beginning. He was easily outboxed by Forrest in their rematch, but the judges gave him the nod. He was then made to look clumsy against Spinks. And then he lost to every major player since then.

Even if the old Mayorga showed up, he's only got a chance to win if Vargas doesn't bring his A game. Vargas, unlike Mayorga has shown true ability at times. IMO his shining moment was in defeat at the hands of Tito Trinidad. He(Vargas) was winning that match. Trinidad had to hit the kid with low blows just to keep him off of him. Vargas really rose to the occasion that night, but Trinidad had to get dirty to keep from getting knocked out.

Watch that fight and you'll see the "old" Vargas at his finest.

Either way, this fight is going to have fireworks, which is why the majority watch in the first place.

[Hardball]

In the words of the late Richard Pryor, Mayorga can knock a Mo-Fo through a brick wall.

About the low blow.........It is my opinion that dirty tactics are the mark of a seasoned pro. Like the Marines, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Dirty tactics- like elbows, head butts and low blows have been part of boxing for years. I'm not really saying it's right but I am saying that it is a part of boxing. When you are in that ring and things get ugly, you gotta do whatever to save your arse. In fact, Iron Mike biteing on Holyfields ear was "in his mind", an answer to Evanders continuous head butts. You gotta remember, reputation, pride and big bucks are on the line. If the ref is not looking then I say go for it.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by Uke

I'm sitting here shocked to know that someone spent the two hours to watch it.

i actually watched it twice, it was pretty funny, a bunch of rich white kids living in LA playing the dope game and end up killing a kid over 1,200 bucks, getting caught, pretty funny. Vargas still big in that.

waht weight is this fight at?

[Uke]

Originally Posted by Hardball

In the words of the late Richard Pryor, Mayorga can knock a Mo-Fo through a brick wall.

About the low blow.........It is my opinion that dirty tactics are the mark of a seasoned pro. Like the Marines, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Dirty tactics- like elbows, head butts and low blows have been part of boxing for years. I'm not really saying it's right but I am saying that it is a part of boxing. When you are in that ring and things get ugly, you gotta do whatever to save your arse. In fact, Iron Mike biteing on Holyfields ear was "in his mind", an answer to Evanders continuous head butts. You gotta remember, reputation, pride and big bucks are on the line. If the ref is not looking then I say go for it.

I've gotta disagree here because where would it stop? Sure, it happens in boxing but is it really a part of boxing? Elbows, intentional headbutts, low blows ... its all the mark of fighters who can't win under the rules so they HAVE to cheat. If its all good then why not just wear brass knucles under the gloves? If its all good then why not just rub ether all over your gloves? If its all good then why not just slip a mickey in the other guy's water bottle?

The rules are there for a reason, and while I know sh!t happens I also know that a fighter who has to play it dirty doesn't deserve respect. For many, many years Hopkins was undefeated, but he wasn't getting recognition because he was largely a dirty figher. It wasn't until he defeated Trinidad in a match where he fought clean that the accolades started pouring in.

[Mike Brewer]

Hardball, I'm with Uke on this one. It's the difference between a fighter and a professional athlete. When you decide to strap on the gloves, get a license, and take a million dollar payday (or even a hundred dollar payday, for that matter), you are not a "fighter." You're an athlete. You need to win by the rules you've agreed to, or you're less than the other man, plain and simple. Do you condone facemasking in football? How about elbowing a guy in the face in basketball? If so, then you're not watching for the "sport." You're watching for the violence. That's a matter of personal taste, I guess, but the athletes who've signed contracts to fight in governed and sanctioned events are fighting for the sport, not the violence.

In the street, there's no cheating. In the ring - be an athlete, not a gutter fighter.

[Hardball]

What can I say, I like Ice Hockey. Need I say more? Ha Ha Ha

[Mike Brewer]

Fair enough. The fight game is entertainment, I guess, so people will watch for whatever part of it entertains them most. If you like seeing guys get hit in the balls and headbutted, I'm sure HBO will take your Pay Per View money without complaints, right?

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Fair enough. The fight game is entertainment, I guess, so people will watch for whatever part of it entertains them most. If you like seeing guys get hit in the balls and headbutted, I'm sure HBO will take your Pay Per View money without complaints, right?

I guess I just like to see guys win at all cost. Something that gets my adrenaline going is seeing a guy getting his Arse kick then respond with a low blow or intentional head butt just to slow his opponent down. Take the foul or hope the ref is not looking then recover in the latter rounds.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Fair enough. The fight game is entertainment, I guess, so people will watch for whatever part of it entertains them most. If you like seeing guys get hit in the balls and headbutted, I'm sure HBO will take your Pay Per View money without complaints, right?

I guess I just like to see guys win at all cost. Something that gets my adrenaline going is seeing a guy getting his Arse kick then respond with a low blow or intentional head butt just to slow his opponent down. Take the foul or hope the ref is not looking then recover in the latter rounds.