chin weaken

[tryme]

hi,
as boxers take IMO the most head shots, can your chin\jaw weaken, ie once you get KO'ed can you get KO'ed easier the next time or can you condition your Jaw to take it "like a man"?

cheers

[Jacob Sterling]

That sounds like a ridicilous fairy tale. If you get knocked out, why would it be easier to get knocked out some more, unless you suffered a broken jaw, and were stupid enough to fight with it while the jaw was still broken.......

[tryme]

listen, I'm asking the question...
some say you can condition your jaw to take the hits, some say after a number of ko's you will get ko'ed easier for various reasons.
If you don't have an answer go play with your dumbells you donut eating yank.

[Jacob Sterling]

Point 1: You assume I'm a yankee with your insult, when I live in the lower united states. Point 2: I don't really enjoy doughnuts.


Point 3: Your insult is quite humourous. I was simply pointing out the illogicalness of "if i get knocked out (this many times) it's easier for me to get knocked out again"


That idea is ludiricous and makes absolutely no comprehendable sense to me.


Point 4: The only real way I see to exercise your jaw mucles is to chew something..... food for instance which we do every day. Although I hardly see that as helping "to not get knocked out"

[Jacob Sterling]

PS:


I forgot to comment on something.


You said "can you get KO'ed easier the next time or can you condition your Jaw to take it "like a man"?"


Your forgetting women boxers do exist now. Your "take it like a man" rhetoric is quite backwards now that boxing isn't just for the males on earth.


Note: I would have edited my last reply to include this further addition, but the forum won't let me do it for some reason.

[tryme]

Points 1-2..= whatever to me you are a fat yank.

Point 3: Your insult is quite humourous. I was simply pointing out the illogicalness of "if i get knocked out (this many times) it's easier for me to get knocked out again"

Point 3= misquote there was no "if i get knocked out blubber, blubber..

original quote reads, "...after a number of ko's you will get ko'ed easier for various reasons. "

Point 4= GAY! you obviously have a huge jaw from exercising it soo much eating those donuts.

PS. EVEN GAYER!!

you should back up your explainations before attempting to post replies.

[Thadiius]

I think it's all mental, after getting ko'ed your confidence has to be shattered and some fighters bring that in with them in the next fight. So it's not really your chin that gets weak, more like your spirit getting weak.

[Builderofmuscle]

Maybe we'll have a boxing match right here.

Anyways, I'm doing karate right now, but I think I'm more of a boxer or kickbaxer. I suck at sparring, becaouse, at the heat of the moment, I'd rather Jab the guy that reverse punch him.

[ryanhall]

actually, i think this may have something to it. ever notice how professional athletes are more prone to injury later in their careers? you get hit in the knee when you're 20, no big deal. shake it off. you take that same hit when you're 35, kiss your career goodbye.

take steve young for example. he was the king of concussions. i know he was in double digits for his career. anyways, he had more of them as he got older. it's possible that because he was older/slower that people hit him harder more often, but it's also possible that his head couldn't take any more punishment. something to think on.

when your get knocked out, your brain bounces around your skull. think that this is a good thing? i believe that the more this happens, the less shock/rupture your brain will be able to withstand--thus making the ko easier. any ideas?


ryan

[tryme]

after looking at other forums,
I agree with ryanhall.

Thanks for your posts.

[rocknrollrjm]

I posted a similar response on another thread but it applies here as well. A big part of getting knocked out -vs- not getting knocked out is how you take the punch and a big part of that is being somewhat accustomed to taking the punishment and being able to relax while you're taking it. Have you ever heard how when a drunk gets into a car accident against a sober person, the drunk often walks away with some bruises while the other is usually much worse off. This is because the drunk is so relaxed. When a big shot is coming in to your jaw, if you take the shot and role with it, it will have a far less cuncussive effect on your brain, blood supply to your brain and the rest of your body than if you keep your neck and body stiff resulting in all the power of the blow being absorbed by your head.

This is something that can be developed over time and training.

[Kingston]

thats accualy a good question, dont mind what Jacob says, its obvious he doesn't know much about what hes saying.

i have a friend who snowboards on the canadian junior team, and towards the end of the season because of all the "work" his legs are doing they seem to get hurt and/or injured alot easy'er then what is normal, he also is most likely going to have major sugery on his legs before hes 30 years old.

iv also noticed this with my kendo, instead of making my wrists stronger they seem to be weaker after extensive use (this could be from bad form, but i dout it)

the demographic for back injuries is (sumed up) the people who use it all the time ( furnature movers) and people who never use it (lazy office people).

i would say you would have to be knocked out ALOT for this to be true. or at least puched in the jaw about 75 times a week, then again never getting hit would not help you either. If there is any relation between knockouts and jaw weakness, it would be hard to tell becuase most people have alot of time to recover before there next knockout.

So my answer is NO. it wont make you easier to be knocked out by being knocked out alot (unless you get knocked out on a constant basis, and then youd have alot bigger problems i would think). so a few knockouts make you stronger, alot make you weaker.

what rocknrollrjm says is good to take into consideration.

also remember no matter how strong your jaw muscles are, a punch will always be stronger. work the neck muscles to avoid head injuries would be your best bet

hopefully iv been of some help, im no doctor, but im no fool either.

thanks for your time

[ryanhall]

I have to disagree with you, Kingston. No knockout can be good for you. Your brain isn't something that should be "conditioned." Places like your face, nose, solar plexus, groin, throat are sensitive, and are not suited for impact. Your point about your friend's legs seems valid, but isn't. The legs and the brain are two very different things. One is meant to take punishment, and the other should not. One knockout/concussion would be the equivalent of TONS of damage to your legs.

[Kingston]

Heh, good point ryan. i guess im thinking more about things like a strong neck or a mouth guard to help against knockouts......the more shock your jaw absorbs the less your brain will take.
im not sure if you can absord more force by strengthening your jaw, i dout it.

Your right. Im way of base with the "head conditioning" any knockout could seriously damage a person...and shouldn't be practiced.

i was kind of thinking on the go there...heh
a few knockouts are bad, more knockouts are worse!

[Builderofmuscle]

Now we're getting somewhere. Okay here's what I think. In terms of getting knocked out faster. I think that's bullcrap.

Lets get to another point. As you get older, you're more prone to injury. Because your body is getting older. But if a mucle is sore, it's actually broken down, and needs time to rest and regrow. Would you work biceps everyday to make them stronger? No, because one workout a week is enought to couse a breakdown of muscle.

So, in terms of boxing, I doubt that there is anything except you mental and physical conditiong that will get in the way of getting knocked out.