Pre-UFC: Boxing vs. Judo - Page 2

Tom Yum · 05-24-2005, 08:43 PM

Definitely yellow bamboo!

My favorite boxin' techniques are the wide-swingin' haymaker, 4-combo rabbit punch and the bolo to tha groin'...jj.

Tant01 · 05-28-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Yum

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CONTROVERSY SETTLED ?
It is doubtful whether or not this contest will really settle the controversy between boxing and judo. There will always be those who will say "if" this or that had happened the result would have been different. But perhaps this is the way it should be between the adherents of the two great sports. What was settled on December 2, 1963 was that a ranking professional boxer lost to a ranking judoka under rules which gave each contestant the best possible advantages for the use of his techniques.

There are details in Gene's autobiography that are missing from this version. Like the brass knuckles that the boxer had under his glove. The petrolium jelly on his Gi....that it was the first ever televised MMA fight in the USA. The fans screaming "KILL HIM" the ref taking his sweet time to declare Gene the winner and that the boxer was out for almost 20 minutes! (And never had another pro fight...)

Recently reprinted in Grappling magazine...

Tom Yum · 05-28-2005, 02:39 PM

What I thought was really cool is how Gene brought theatrics from his pro-wrestling experience into his press conference for that bout.

Just imagine, if he promoted mixed matches then where we would be today

The next style vs. style matchup was the Ali vs. Inoki match up. Inoki was forbidden to get a clinch or to latch onto Ali's legs (There goes his ability to get Ali to play his game!)

So he threw low drop kicks at Ali's thighs for several rounds, then stayed on his side while trying to scissor Ali. Ali tried to stomp Inoki's butt... then gave Inoki space to get up.....repeat....LOL

I think Ali ended up with a torn and damaged quadricep and damage knee.

Tant01 · 05-28-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Yum

What I thought was really cool is how Gene brought theatrics from his pro-wrestling experience into his press conference for that bout.

Just imagine, if he promoted mixed matches then where we would be today

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You mean slapping the host of a local TV show in a "sleeper" hold and putting him OUT COLD? LOL

Pick up the May issue of Grappling magazine! It's got the story excerpt from his book in it.

lopezma · 05-28-2005, 08:55 PM

[quote=sherwinc]no doubt....... the Boxing will truely defeat Judo

First off, I cross train in boxing with some professional boxers at their gym, and I am a martial arts instructor. If all they do is that one art/style....
Can a boxer beat a Tae Kwon Doist or Karateka,? YES! I believe so, dare I say with no problem. Can the same boxer beat a Judo Player? Can the judo guy take a punch? If yes, then I will go with the Judo Guy over boxer Dude! Just as tkd and karate guys can't stand toe to toe with the boxer, the boxer cannot fight on the ground with the judo guy. I've seen guys go down with one punch, I've seen small guys flip big guys and submit them. In all I guess what I'm trying to say is, THERE REMAINS SOME DOUBT when you match these two guys up.

Tant01 · 05-29-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Yum

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Just imagine, if he promoted mixed matches then where we would be today

The next style vs. style matchup was the Ali vs. Inoki match up. Inoki was forbidden to get a clinch or to latch onto Ali's legs (There goes his ability to get Ali to play his game!)

So he threw low drop kicks at Ali's thighs for several rounds, then stayed on his side while trying to scissor Ali. Ali tried to stomp Inoki's butt... then gave Inoki space to get up.....repeat....LOL

I think Ali ended up with a torn and damaged quadricep and damage knee.

Gene was recently awarded his 9th Dan from the Kodokan. May 4th.

What I remember of that Ali fight with the kick boxer is his calf and shin getting hammered for several rounds. I don't think he stood up for a whole minute in any round. On his back like some kinda butt flopping Jiu-jitsu guy

then kicking at Ali's calf every time he came close enough!

The_Judo_Jibboo · 01-09-2006, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sherwinc

be sure that you are in a very very low stance while he starting his throw techniques.......

This would definately work on me

(a green belt) but getting low isn't necessarily a good idea against better judokas. Alot of the brown and black belts i spar with love to get you bent over because that puts you under their control. True you aren't going to be able to throw a lot the techniques that most people recognize as judo, but all kinds of new possibilities open up at the same time. Particularly, a low stance opens you to the possibility of the judoka getting an arm over your shoulder at which point you're pretty well screwed.
I'm not making any assertions/predictions on which would win blah blah blah, but i've been thrown by world class judokas

and i'm just saying that no simple stance will keep you safe from judo.

GonzoStyles · 01-09-2006, 04:28 PM

good pics of Ali vrs Inoki

http://www.stripes.com/photoday/inoki/

JFG · 01-10-2006, 09:48 AM

Boxing for stand up, BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) on the ground, and wrestling/Judo take downs.

Warrior189 · 02-17-2006, 09:59 PM

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not sure where this would go under but this seemed like a good enough place. I am 15 and have been doing boxing for about 9 months, I like boxing and think it is a great thing and will cont. to box for as long as possible and be one of the few great white boxers

but I dont want to have a weakness for fighting i got into a little fight yesterday and the guy just starting throwing this kicks to my head one after the next. I ended up ducking and giving a hard body shot which stopped it, but at the moment i froze i never had a kick to my head in boxing before. I want my body to be the ultimate fighting machine (UFC style). What would be the best arts to cross train into?

Need to know. What kind of kicks was he throwing that made you dodge all of them?

Tant01 · 02-17-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior189

Need to know. What kind of kicks was he throwing that made you dodge all of them?

MAYBE you should have asked him LAST YEAR!!!

B.Y.O.B. · 02-17-2006, 10:20 PM

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MAYBE you should have asked him LAST YEAR!!!

Well ppl are still replying to this post so I guess its alright I'll ask him now. Since it a year old thread.

(Side note) I'm warrior189 just made a new name to show off one of my favorite bands. System of the Down.

Tant01 · 02-17-2006, 11:32 PM

That's because Tom started a good thread almost THREE years ago... The theme is timeless but maybe you should see if Southpaw is even still posting... Teenagers tend to have short little attention spans.

B.Y.O.B. · 02-18-2006, 04:25 PM

Nah hes still posting, I've seen him many times n teens who want to become fighters dont really have short attention spans.

Tant01 · 04-06-2008, 04:43 PM

One of my favorite threads started years ago by Tom Yum.

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05-24-2005, 08:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	Definitely yellow bamboo! My favorite boxin' techniques are the wide-swingin' haymaker, 4-combo rabbit punch and the bolo to tha groin'...jj. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

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JFG Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17	Cross training Boxing for stand up, BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) on the ground, and wrestling/Judo take downs.

02-17-2006, 11:32 PM	#28 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,665	That's because Tom started a good thread almost THREE years ago... The theme is timeless but maybe you should see if Southpaw is even still posting... Teenagers tend to have short little attention spans. __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

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Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,665	From the archives... One of my favorite threads started years ago by Tom Yum. :::Bump::: __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

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05-28-2005, 02:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	What I thought was really cool is how Gene brought theatrics from his pro-wrestling experience into his press conference for that bout. Just imagine, if he promoted mixed matches then where we would be today The next style vs. style matchup was the Ali vs. Inoki match up. Inoki was forbidden to get a clinch or to latch onto Ali's legs (There goes his ability to get Ali to play his game!) So he threw low drop kicks at Ali's thighs for several rounds, then stayed on his side while trying to scissor Ali. Ali tried to stomp Inoki's butt... then gave Inoki space to get up.....repeat....LOL I think Ali ended up with a torn and damaged quadricep and damage knee.

05-28-2005, 08:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
lopezma Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 79	[quote=sherwinc]no doubt....... the Boxing will truely defeat Judo First off, I cross train in boxing with some professional boxers at their gym, and I am a martial arts instructor. If all they do is that one art/style.... Can a boxer beat a Tae Kwon Doist or Karateka,? YES! I believe so, dare I say with no problem. Can the same boxer beat a Judo Player? Can the judo guy take a punch? If yes, then I will go with the Judo Guy over boxer Dude! Just as tkd and karate guys can't stand toe to toe with the boxer, the boxer cannot fight on the ground with the judo guy. I've seen guys go down with one punch, I've seen small guys flip big guys and submit them. In all I guess what I'm trying to say is, THERE REMAINS SOME DOUBT when you match these two guys up.

01-09-2006, 04:28 PM	#23 (permalink)
GonzoStyles Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 605	good pics of Ali vrs Inoki http://www.stripes.com/photoday/inoki/

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