Martial scholars! I need your help!

verc · 04-20-2003, 01:23 AM

both Art of war and Book of Five Rings are used as insight into modern business. Art of war is continued to be studied in its original context today.

What other ancient books of martial wisdom are still used today in either a martial or non-martial sense? The idea is that I'm trying to do a research paper that will hopefully lead into a dissertation on martial culture, and I'm kinda bouncing around ideas...any suggestions on arguable, but more importantly scholarly(I'd really, really love to, but can't make do at university writing about how to whupass...), theses would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
verc

eXcessiveForce · 04-20-2003, 11:35 AM

Here are a few

Tao Te Ching
Hagakure
I ching

You can find a copies of these, I will look and see what other books might be of value. Although some books are nearly impossible to find.

swan104 · 04-20-2003, 03:13 PM

Not very ancient, but you can consider the Tao of Jeet Kune Do to be inspirational to many people.

Burton · 04-20-2003, 05:08 PM

I think you're covered with those suggestions. Personally, I like As A Man Thinketh for sage advice concerning life, art, and business. Aloha!

verc · 04-20-2003, 08:54 PM

thanks a lot guys!

Burt, what was that book you recommended? Is that a real book or were you joking, just making sure

ExcessiveForce, thank you very much for you suggestions. Could you help me a little further:

Tao Te Ching - By the founder of taoism, right? Where is it used today?

Hagakure - I believe this was a bushido piece? Not sure, could you elaborate a little?

I ching - I believe this is the basis of Taoism, am I correct? Can you elaborate to the modern usages?

Thanks a bunch guys,
Ambert

eXcessiveForce · 04-20-2003, 10:57 PM

Okay let me see.

First Burton's recommendation is a real book.

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tsu, yes taoist. Used for management and business strategy. Often quoted when it comes to ideas such as strength in flexablity.

Hagakure is is bushido text, written by a Samuri that never saw battle. It is used often for business strategy, Sales training and motivation. Also the code of busido is used much the same way.

I ching, (book of change) if i remember correctly is used again in business to help make decisions. It is almost considered a magical text by some who use it much like astrology from what I can gather. My knowledge of this book is somewhat limited but I have heard of it being used by many business. sorry I can't be of much help. It is Taoist as well.

There are also some texts of roman and greek origin that are used but i'd have to go do some digging to find their names.

You might also look into Plato,

A few books to look into might be

The prince,
Machivelli
there are also some hindu texts that may also be of use.
Bagva Gita ( that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. It has been way to long since I have read any of these or studied them.)

there are other books as well but I'd need a better idea of what you are looking for.

I know there are books dealing with Spartan ideals.

So you would need to decide if you are dealing with martial arts from asia, or from battle strategy which would encompass, Roman, Greece, Viking, etc.

example Spartans, some concepts still in use today. Such as Spartan training regimes for martial arts and such.

Burton · 04-21-2003, 09:48 PM

"As A Man Thinketh" is by James Allen, written in the late 1800's. Not specifically about warfare, but very concise and profound.

A great example of Spartan mentality: They would make the training regimine so difficult that they couldn't wait to get to battle, as it was much easier. Aloha!

Benjamin Dover · 10-02-2003, 04:18 PM

Martial Arts for Dummies....it is a fine book. Get some videotapes of Charlie's Angels and the 2nd season of the Power Rangers and you should be good to go.

Nazman · 03-08-2004, 11:00 PM

Hi,

Clauswitz's treatise on war is a (relatively) modern work and might be out of your scope but it describes the principles of war and strategy. Some people have extrapolated this to some degree to business principles as has been done for Sun Tzu's work.

Cheers

wong sheung · 05-17-2004, 04:01 AM

Magic of Thinking Big by Dr. David Schwartz. Also, Wild at Heart by John Eldredge.

04-20-2003, 01:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
verc Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 48	Martial scholars! I need your help! both Art of war and Book of Five Rings are used as insight into modern business. Art of war is continued to be studied in its original context today. What other ancient books of martial wisdom are still used today in either a martial or non-martial sense? The idea is that I'm trying to do a research paper that will hopefully lead into a dissertation on martial culture, and I'm kinda bouncing around ideas...any suggestions on arguable, but more importantly scholarly(I'd really, really love to, but can't make do at university writing about how to whupass...), theses would be much appreciated! Thanks, verc __________________ speak softly and carry a big sharp thingmajiggy

04-20-2003, 11:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,769	Here are a few Tao Te Ching Hagakure I ching You can find a copies of these, I will look and see what other books might be of value. Although some books are nearly impossible to find. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

04-20-2003, 03:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
swan104 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stoke-on-Trent/England Posts: 410	Not very ancient, but you can consider the Tao of Jeet Kune Do to be inspirational to many people. __________________ Steven

04-20-2003, 05:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Burton Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA Posts: 617	I think you're covered with those suggestions. Personally, I like As A Man Thinketh for sage advice concerning life, art, and business. Aloha! __________________ "If you want to learn how to fight, you must practice fighting against someone who is fighting back!" Burton Richardson

04-20-2003, 08:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
verc Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 48	thanks a lot guys! Burt, what was that book you recommended? Is that a real book or were you joking, just making sure ExcessiveForce, thank you very much for you suggestions. Could you help me a little further: Tao Te Ching - By the founder of taoism, right? Where is it used today? Hagakure - I believe this was a bushido piece? Not sure, could you elaborate a little? I ching - I believe this is the basis of Taoism, am I correct? Can you elaborate to the modern usages? Thanks a bunch guys, Ambert __________________ speak softly and carry a big sharp thingmajiggy

04-20-2003, 10:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,769	Okay let me see. First Burton's recommendation is a real book. Tao Te Ching by Lao Tsu, yes taoist. Used for management and business strategy. Often quoted when it comes to ideas such as strength in flexablity. Hagakure is is bushido text, written by a Samuri that never saw battle. It is used often for business strategy, Sales training and motivation. Also the code of busido is used much the same way. I ching, (book of change) if i remember correctly is used again in business to help make decisions. It is almost considered a magical text by some who use it much like astrology from what I can gather. My knowledge of this book is somewhat limited but I have heard of it being used by many business. sorry I can't be of much help. It is Taoist as well. There are also some texts of roman and greek origin that are used but i'd have to go do some digging to find their names. You might also look into Plato, A few books to look into might be The prince, Machivelli there are also some hindu texts that may also be of use. Bagva Gita ( that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. It has been way to long since I have read any of these or studied them.) there are other books as well but I'd need a better idea of what you are looking for. I know there are books dealing with Spartan ideals. So you would need to decide if you are dealing with martial arts from asia, or from battle strategy which would encompass, Roman, Greece, Viking, etc. example Spartans, some concepts still in use today. Such as Spartan training regimes for martial arts and such. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

04-21-2003, 09:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Burton Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA Posts: 617	"As A Man Thinketh" is by James Allen, written in the late 1800's. Not specifically about warfare, but very concise and profound. A great example of Spartan mentality: They would make the training regimine so difficult that they couldn't wait to get to battle, as it was much easier. Aloha! __________________ "If you want to learn how to fight, you must practice fighting against someone who is fighting back!" Burton Richardson

10-02-2003, 04:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Benjamin Dover Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 111	Martial Arts for Dummies....it is a fine book. Get some videotapes of Charlie's Angels and the 2nd season of the Power Rangers and you should be good to go. __________________ Master your rage before your rage masters you - Chinese fortune cookie

03-08-2004, 11:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nazman Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 44	Hi, Clauswitz's treatise on war is a (relatively) modern work and might be out of your scope but it describes the principles of war and strategy. Some people have extrapolated this to some degree to business principles as has been done for Sun Tzu's work. Cheers

05-17-2004, 04:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
wong sheung Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 37	Magic of Thinking Big by Dr. David Schwartz. Also, Wild at Heart by John Eldredge.

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