The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Rudolphuss · 12-19-2003, 03:05 AM

From this description military sanda sounds like MMA. Has anybody experienced this style of sanda instead of civilian sanda we see in the rings/leitais?

http://www.judoinfo.com/books/faq3.htm

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The Sanshou as practiced by the Chinese military is based on the
Chinese Art of War, physics, anatomy, bio-mechanics, and human
physiology. It is a complete system of realistic unarmed combat
covering the skills of striking, grappling, wrestling, groundfighting,
and weapon defenses taken from various Chinese and foreign martial
arts and hand-to-hand combat styles. It focuses on applying the
principles of combat rather than on techniques. The various
divisions of the military and police force have slight differences in
technique, but they all employ the same principles.

Military and civilian Sanshou training involves many punching,
kicking, grappling, wrestling, groundfighting, and weapon defense
drills with a partner. Contact sparring with protective gear is also
emphasized. This is where the different skills are blended together
into one fluid art. There are no forms or formal stances, and no
qigong exercises.

Rudolphuss · 12-19-2003, 10:32 PM

Thanks for the reply. I am just wondering, do you have any military experience, Hand2Hand?

I posted this because I am tired of reading people saying that "Sanda" is Muay Thai with throws. Sport Sanda might look like Muay Thai with throws, but real Sanda is a military system, not a sport. The objective of the military is to kill or incapacitate quickly, so I don't think we should judge Sanda by what we see in the ring with 100 pages of rules.

Tom Yum · 12-21-2003, 08:19 PM

Rudolph, san da means free fight. Originally, it refers to the old raised platform matches where masters would challenge one another. It was school vs. school and style vs style. Their were many popular rivalries: wing chun vs. choy li fut vs. hung ga, shaolin vs. wutang.

They would try to either launch their opponent off the platform with sweeps or throws, throw them high and hard (head first) or overcome their opponents with strikes.

San shou is the ring style that looks like muay thai with throws. Literally san shou means free hand (not kong shou =karate) free as in no rules.

The only way anyone could know military san da is if they served on the People's Republic Army. Military san da as I understand it uses alot of styles qin na and shuai jiao.

Tom Yum · 12-21-2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HandtoHand

so i can beat the legally crap out of people.

go to law school.

Gong Sau · 12-22-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudolphuss

Thanks for the reply. I am just wondering, do you have any military experience, Hand2Hand?

I posted this because I am tired of reading people saying that "Sanda" is Muay Thai with throws. Sport Sanda might look like Muay Thai with throws, but real Sanda is a military system, not a sport. The objective of the military is to kill or incapacitate quickly, so I don't think we should judge Sanda by what we see in the ring with 100 pages of rules.

Call the Chinese Embassy and get a contact person to write to. Tell them you want to see their stuff in person. Who knows? If you pay your own way you might get to really do it. Pretty easy back and forth travel with China these days.

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Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,564 Groans: 1 Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts	San da Rudolph, san da means free fight. Originally, it refers to the old raised platform matches where masters would challenge one another. It was school vs. school and style vs style. Their were many popular rivalries: wing chun vs. choy li fut vs. hung ga, shaolin vs. wutang. They would try to either launch their opponent off the platform with sweeps or throws, throw them high and hard (head first) or overcome their opponents with strikes. San shou is the ring style that looks like muay thai with throws. Literally san shou means free hand (not kong shou =karate) free as in no rules. The only way anyone could know military san da is if they served on the People's Republic Army. Military san da as I understand it uses alot of styles qin na and shuai jiao.

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Rudolphuss Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose Posts: 81 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the reply. I am just wondering, do you have any military experience, Hand2Hand? I posted this because I am tired of reading people saying that "Sanda" is Muay Thai with throws. Sport Sanda might look like Muay Thai with throws, but real Sanda is a military system, not a sport. The objective of the military is to kill or incapacitate quickly, so I don't think we should judge Sanda by what we see in the ring with 100 pages of rules.

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