The Ultimate in Martial Arts

SOCOMSASGsG9 · 08-18-2004, 04:40 PM

ok, now ive been readong alot of stuff on here (especially from holy man) about how kung fu is a religion, or how its ultimate form is becoming a god........or somthing. as a christian i hope im not going to hell for practicing kung fu.

does anyone here have any input they wish to add to this subject?

eXcessiveForce · 08-18-2004, 04:46 PM

it's not a religion. However some religions have some aspects of martial arts. Some martial arts have some religious aspects as well.

For many it is a sport.
Others it is a philosophy
others and endevour

It's what you want it to be.

Oh and holyman is a bit of a different type character.

SOCOMSASGsG9 · 08-18-2004, 04:49 PM

haha, yea, no offence holy man or anything, if your reading this......

anyways, i prefer kung fu to be a way to hurt people (to put it as bluntly and in its most basic manifestation possible) and nothing more. all that philosophical stuff is just weird.

eXcessiveForce · 08-18-2004, 04:50 PM

then that is what it is if you train it that way.

SOCOMSASGsG9 · 08-18-2004, 06:13 PM

hey people, keep posting, i wanna have some discussion here.

Mr. Gordo · 08-19-2004, 12:03 AM

If Holy Man said that the ultimate goal in gung fu is to become a god....well, Holy Man sounds like an ass. Now if Holy Man said the ultimate goal is "self perfection," then I could agree with that. For me, it's just for health, self defense, and self refinement.

SOCOMSASGsG9 · 08-19-2004, 09:10 AM

i forget the exact quote, but i think he said it was self improvement to a higher level, making ourselves gods. but you might wanna check on that.

Dim Wit Moc · 08-27-2004, 11:59 PM

Kung Fu is a lifestyle which some people incorporate religion into. Many more people do not put any religion into their Kung Fu.

Nazman · 09-03-2004, 03:23 AM

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as a christian i hope im not going to hell for practicing kung fu.

Depends upon what faith and degree of faith you subscribe to. There are some fundmentalist Christians would say that practicing the martial arts ill send you to hell. As far as I can see this is because they claim that they promote violence or (if this isn't your reason for practicing them) or they promote elightenment through self perservaverence (sp?). This seems to be offensive to some fundamentalists who believe that salvation only comes through Christ and from no other avenue. Haven't read Holyman's posts but I think there's a difference between salvation and becoming a god.

Cheers

Toudiyama[NL] · 09-03-2004, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nazman

Depends upon what faith and degree of faith you subscribe to. There are some fundmentalist Christians would say that practicing the martial arts ill send you to hell. As far as I can see this is because they claim that they promote violence or (if this isn't your reason for practicing them) or they promote elightenment through self perservaverence (sp?). This seems to be offensive to some fundamentalists who believe that salvation only comes through Christ and from no other avenue. Haven't read Holyman's posts but I think there's a difference between salvation and becoming a god.

Cheers

Fundementalists are among the biggest hatemongers there are, which isn't in line with the teachings of Jezus either

sherwinc · 09-03-2004, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Gordo

If Holy Man said that the ultimate goal in gung fu is to become a god....well, Holy Man sounds like an ass. Now if Holy Man said the ultimate goal is "self perfection," then I could agree with that. For me, it's just for health, self defense, and self refinement.

you will not become a god when practicing kungfu, but you will become more or above mortal....... why??????

imagine..... with just MuayThai, practicing it your sheenbone will become as hard as steel........

now.... practicing kungfu, you can benefit the gift of IRON PALM
;-)

Toudiyama[NL] · 09-03-2004, 08:24 AM

I thought KF produced a steel reinforced skull that effectively closed the brain for any usefull information

darrianation · 09-05-2004, 06:25 PM

Kung Fu for some is more like a cult!

dacosta · 11-25-2004, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SOCOMSASGsG9

haha, yea, no offence holy man or anything, if your reading this......

anyways, i prefer kung fu to be a way to hurt people (to put it as bluntly and in its most basic manifestation possible) and nothing more. all that philosophical stuff is just weird.

This could get you into hell quicker.

sanjiyan99 · 11-25-2004, 11:41 AM

So, let it rock
Let it roll
Let the Bible-belt come
and save my soul

No, you won't go to Hell because you practice kung fu. You will go to Hell if you don't trust Jesus Christ for your salvation. I practice the martial arts for reasons of fitness, self-defense, and because it is my favorite sport. I don't do well at team sports (i.e. basketball, football, etc.) and have no passion for them, but I love muay thai. Now, while practicing kung fu won't put you in Hell, it might put you in the hospital should you rely on it in a real street fight. But, that's just my opinion -- a belief that certain arts are more practical to use than others.

08-18-2004, 04:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
SOCOMSASGsG9 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Trenton, New Jersey Posts: 112 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kung Fu=Religion? ok, now ive been readong alot of stuff on here (especially from holy man) about how kung fu is a religion, or how its ultimate form is becoming a god........or somthing. as a christian i hope im not going to hell for practicing kung fu. does anyone here have any input they wish to add to this subject?

08-18-2004, 04:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,991 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	it's not a religion. However some religions have some aspects of martial arts. Some martial arts have some religious aspects as well. For many it is a sport. Others it is a philosophy others and endevour It's what you want it to be. Oh and holyman is a bit of a different type character. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive. www.b-prime.com A success and achievement community

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eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,991 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	then that is what it is if you train it that way. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive. www.b-prime.com A success and achievement community

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Dim Wit Moc Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California Posts: 233 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kung Fu is a lifestyle which some people incorporate religion into. Many more people do not put any religion into their Kung Fu. __________________ Figure Eight

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Toudiyama[NL] Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Zaandam, Netherlands Posts: 1,375 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I thought KF produced a steel reinforced skull that effectively closed the brain for any usefull information __________________

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SOCOMSASGsG9 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Trenton, New Jersey Posts: 112 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	haha, yea, no offence holy man or anything, if your reading this...... anyways, i prefer kung fu to be a way to hurt people (to put it as bluntly and in its most basic manifestation possible) and nothing more. all that philosophical stuff is just weird.

08-18-2004, 06:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
SOCOMSASGsG9 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Trenton, New Jersey Posts: 112 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey people, keep posting, i wanna have some discussion here.

08-19-2004, 12:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mr. Gordo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 107 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If Holy Man said that the ultimate goal in gung fu is to become a god....well, Holy Man sounds like an ass. Now if Holy Man said the ultimate goal is "self perfection," then I could agree with that. For me, it's just for health, self defense, and self refinement.

08-19-2004, 09:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
SOCOMSASGsG9 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Trenton, New Jersey Posts: 112 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i forget the exact quote, but i think he said it was self improvement to a higher level, making ourselves gods. but you might wanna check on that.

09-05-2004, 06:25 PM	#13 (permalink)
darrianation Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,161 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kung Fu for some is more like a cult! __________________ The law of tyranny: 1. Any power that can be abused will be abused 2. Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it. 3. If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail. Welcome to the Socialist States of Amerika . Coming soon Jan 20th 2009!

11-25-2004, 11:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
sanjiyan99 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 72 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	So, let it rock Let it roll Let the Bible-belt come and save my soul No, you won't go to Hell because you practice kung fu. You will go to Hell if you don't trust Jesus Christ for your salvation. I practice the martial arts for reasons of fitness, self-defense, and because it is my favorite sport. I don't do well at team sports (i.e. basketball, football, etc.) and have no passion for them, but I love muay thai. Now, while practicing kung fu won't put you in Hell, it might put you in the hospital should you rely on it in a real street fight. But, that's just my opinion -- a belief that certain arts are more practical to use than others.

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