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jubaji · 04-19-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonM

If you want to prove me wrong

get someone else to PM me and I will provide directions for how to come and meet me in person.

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Oh now you want to fight! Super hard! Don't pretend you're not reading this, missy. I know you are.

I'll meet you after school by the flag pole next to the polo grounds, you dirty, no-good, son-of-a-....a... well, you know.

joedoe · 04-19-2005, 07:13 PM

OK, I take back what I said before. I think the best way to deal with grapplers by using your chi blast. Don't sprawl, don't try to control them in any way, just use a chi blast.

jubaji · 04-19-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by joedoe

OK, I take back what I said before. I think the best way to deal with grapplers by using your chi blast. Don't sprawl, don't try to control them in any way, just use a chi blast.

But first 'side-step' and slap him in the head.

joedoe · 04-19-2005, 08:37 PM

No need, a chi blast is all you need. Just set your root, and blast away

bbbb · 04-20-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

LOL

I love all the theory!

If you want to defend a good shot, workout with good wrestlers. Defense begins before the shot.

Good advice! Defense begin's before the shot!!

...............................help!!

bbbb · 04-20-2005, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by joedoe

No need, a chi blast is all you need. Just set your root, and blast away

It is all about simplicity.

IBOPM · 04-20-2005, 11:35 PM

Side stepping and strikes have been much criticized. So I won't recommend them.

Sprawling takes your stance away, it can work well if you know what to do after that. But I wouldn't suggest that for most CMAs because they don't practice grappling enough.

ChI Blast? Uh sure if you want to risk it.

But what I personalyl would do is this. If I see him bending down already or moving forward at all. I will shift (NOT side-step) Then rush in forward, maybe lock his head. But I have practiced this fast enough that I can take a person off balance easily from the side.

This is also how Wing Chun takes care of the snap kicks and most other kicks. As soon as you see the thigh coming up, you must shift and rush in. It doesn't matter which leg he kicks from if you can get in fast enough. In which case, takes practice. Just keep doing it till its second nature. This move is so fast, that it can almost(sorta broad term i know) be applied to any situation.

jubaji · 04-20-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by IBOPM

But what I personalyl would do is this. If I see him bending down already or moving forward at all. I will shift (NOT side-step) Then rush in forward, maybe lock his head. But I have practiced this fast enough that I can take a person off balance easily from the side..

Its not a problem of being able to move quickly and such, but if someone is going to shoot any kind of decent shot it will be properly set up first. YOU will be moved into position first to give the shot the best chance of success. No one is going to stand in front of you like a gunslinger waiting for someone to yell 'draw!' and then shoot.

chris davis 200 · 04-21-2005, 05:16 AM

drop a HARD strike into their ribs or spine, hammer the kidney etc. The back is a neglected and prone area that very very few arts condition.

I have played with methods of dealing with the shoot. One of the main things is rooting and timing. Make them have to work for a second while you make that 1 BIG HIT.

If you think outside the MMA /BJJ box, it aint all that dificult. I think the problem is that people emulate the moves that work in MMA instead of ignoring them and using things that are nasty. MMA rules mean that the shoot is effective (no striking the spine, no hitting the back of the head, no striking the neck etc). take those rules away and the shoot is still effective but so are alot of counters too it.

Just my experience

Chris

npk9 · 04-21-2005, 10:12 AM

I would have to agree w/Chris - is this just a street brawl or is it a ring fight. Cmon now - on the street, you have a number of counters and weapons at your disposal. But in the ring . . . Lets just say you have been practicing the right defences.

jubaji · 04-21-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chris davis 200

drop a HARD strike into their ribs or spine, hammer the kidney etc. The back is a neglected and prone area that very very few arts condition.

I have played with methods of dealing with the shoot. One of the main things is rooting and timing. Make them have to work for a second while you make that 1 BIG HIT.

If you think outside the MMA /BJJ box, it aint all that dificult. I think the problem is that people emulate the moves that work in MMA instead of ignoring them and using things that are nasty. MMA rules mean that the shoot is effective (no striking the spine, no hitting the back of the head, no striking the neck etc). take those rules away and the shoot is still effective but so are alot of counters too it.

Just my experience

Chris

Just your experience with who? These all sound great for slow-motion, pre-announced, eyes-closed, arms flailing 'tackles' by the local drunk, but fer cryin' out loud...

chris davis 200 · 04-22-2005, 04:02 AM

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Just your experience with who? These all sound great for slow-motion, pre-announced, eyes-closed, arms flailing 'tackles' by the local drunk, but fer cryin' out loud...

with MMA and BJJ players .......

no slow mo - no pre announced - no eyes closed - no flailing tackles etc etc etc etc etc ..

Maybe i aint the one with my eyes closed.

the Shoot isnt the be all and end all of anything, think about the weakness of the movement ... Exposure of the back, very commited(once someone goes for the shoot they aint stopping), .... exploit that weakness.

Maybe you think i mean - just stand there ... the guy shoots and i whack him in the back - end of story. I dont.

When working any fight situation, timing, distancing, mobility, fine angles of force or attack, rooting, and connection are all vital.

Working against a shoot isnt any different.

For some reason people think the shoot is a movement that cannot be overcome or is very hard to overcome, but like any other movement - it can be overcome. You just have to stick to what you know works and not chuck in the 'MMA rules' responces just because everyone else is doing them ....

chris

Straight Blast · 04-22-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by joedoe

OK, I take back what I said before. I think the best way to deal with grapplers by using your chi blast. Don't sprawl, don't try to control them in any way, just use a chi blast.

Lmao @ chi blast. Why not just try to freeze them solid, a la Sub Zero, then you shatter them into little bits of ice and put them in nice lime margarita (or glass of kool aid for the kids reading).

Bullshido · 04-22-2005, 04:17 PM

No no, you got it all wrong. What you need to do is run at your opponent full speed with your head down, like an angry charging bull. Then you both clash heads, and the one who is able to get up first is the winner. After all, isn't that how they do it in bar fights?

bbbb · 04-22-2005, 10:23 PM

Well- we do say charge. 3 step theory say's you meet them on the second step.
You are told to learn what 3 step's is..and use attack as your indestructible spiritual strength...it's just...I'm only a

green belt aaaghhhh!!

I think Kunf Fu classes just show you why you shouldn't fight..coz this could happen..or that...don't forget about that!!

Thereby turning you into a model citizen!!

Or atleast giving you a more informed choice of the danger's of fighting!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

04-19-2005, 07:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
joedoe Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 95 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK, I take back what I said before. I think the best way to deal with grapplers by using your chi blast. Don't sprawl, don't try to control them in any way, just use a chi blast. __________________ Before you criticise a man, walk a mile in his shoes. Then when you criticise him, you are a mile away and you have his shoes.

04-19-2005, 08:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
joedoe Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 95 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No need, a chi blast is all you need. Just set your root, and blast away __________________ Before you criticise a man, walk a mile in his shoes. Then when you criticise him, you are a mile away and you have his shoes.

04-21-2005, 05:16 AM	#24 (permalink)
chris davis 200 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 724 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	drop a HARD strike into their ribs or spine, hammer the kidney etc. The back is a neglected and prone area that very very few arts condition. I have played with methods of dealing with the shoot. One of the main things is rooting and timing. Make them have to work for a second while you make that 1 BIG HIT. If you think outside the MMA /BJJ box, it aint all that dificult. I think the problem is that people emulate the moves that work in MMA instead of ignoring them and using things that are nasty. MMA rules mean that the shoot is effective (no striking the spine, no hitting the back of the head, no striking the neck etc). take those rules away and the shoot is still effective but so are alot of counters too it. Just my experience Chris __________________ "Be alert. Be alive in the moment. Don’t imagine anyone who comes and asks you to ‘push’ or ‘spar’ will keep to a format, or even stay barehanded" my ba gua teacher !!

04-22-2005, 10:23 PM	#30 (permalink)
bbbb Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: G'daay from W.A. Posts: 388 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	! Well- we do say charge. 3 step theory say's you meet them on the second step. You are told to learn what 3 step's is..and use attack as your indestructible spiritual strength...it's just...I'm only a green belt aaaghhhh!! I think Kunf Fu classes just show you why you shouldn't fight..coz this could happen..or that...don't forget about that!! Thereby turning you into a model citizen!! Or atleast giving you a more informed choice of the danger's of fighting!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! __________________ Use attack as your indestructable spiritual strength. Awareness is the spirit. Attack is the foundation of thought. Attack like thunder from the heaven's. Retreat like dust of the earth.

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04-20-2005, 11:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
IBOPM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 55 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Side stepping and strikes have been much criticized. So I won't recommend them. Sprawling takes your stance away, it can work well if you know what to do after that. But I wouldn't suggest that for most CMAs because they don't practice grappling enough. ChI Blast? Uh sure if you want to risk it. But what I personalyl would do is this. If I see him bending down already or moving forward at all. I will shift (NOT side-step) Then rush in forward, maybe lock his head. But I have practiced this fast enough that I can take a person off balance easily from the side. This is also how Wing Chun takes care of the snap kicks and most other kicks. As soon as you see the thigh coming up, you must shift and rush in. It doesn't matter which leg he kicks from if you can get in fast enough. In which case, takes practice. Just keep doing it till its second nature. This move is so fast, that it can almost(sorta broad term i know) be applied to any situation.

04-21-2005, 10:12 AM	#25 (permalink)
npk9 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: PA Posts: 146 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would have to agree w/Chris - is this just a street brawl or is it a ring fight. Cmon now - on the street, you have a number of counters and weapons at your disposal. But in the ring . . . Lets just say you have been practicing the right defences.

04-22-2005, 04:17 PM	#29 (permalink)
Bullshido Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No no, you got it all wrong. What you need to do is run at your opponent full speed with your head down, like an angry charging bull. Then you both clash heads, and the one who is able to get up first is the winner. After all, isn't that how they do it in bar fights?

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