Chinese MAs in Real Life? - Page 5

Garland · 07-09-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by polecat63

Kickboxing is for the streets? In what alternate universe is it for the street. Sure, it's an effective fighting art and would do well in a real life situation, but it is not a 'street' martial art.
It's derived from Muaythai which started as a defensive art but has been a competition art since around 1300 AD. Kickboxing in the US was a direct result of full contact karate matches starting in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Not the street, moron, but the ring. .

Firstly...muay thai was derived from krabbi krabong, which was an OFFENSIVE based art. These precursors to modern muay thai were not meant for the ring or the "street", but devised for killing and maiming in battle. (rent Sukiyothai)

Secondly - what the **** would you consider to be a "street martial art"?
The most common "street" moves are...sucker punches and foul tactics, plus a few lame ass punches (i.e. the haymaker).
ANY art, applied by a competent enough person, with the proper physical attributes, can "work" on "the street".
But;
boxing...cannot be beat for hands. Muay thai cannot be beat in the standup game. (except by the most exceptional kyokushin guys) BJJ and Shooto are excellent for the ground game. The FMA are the only weapons systems that won't teach you shit that can get you killed. Wing chun is supherb for the trapping range....which does not last long in a real fight.

Muay thai-will help you in the street. There are tactics in muay thai that are meant for causing maximum damage, and are not meant for use in a ring fight.
Some tactics are; elbows to the collar bone, stomps to the patella, headbutts, eye gouges in the prummb, and knees to the nuts. Muay thai also has a few "hidden" chokes in the clinche, and a few breaks and throws from there also.

Ravin · 07-09-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Garland

Secondly - what the **** would you consider to be a "street martial art"?
The most common "street" moves are...sucker punches and foul tactics, plus a few lame ass punches (i.e. the haymaker).
ANY art, applied by a competent enough person, with the proper physical attributes, can "work" on "the street".
But;
boxing...cannot be beat for hands. .

Thats what i meant.. this idiot (polecat) doesnt know anything. 1 minute the faggot says he started martial arts the next minute he knows everything. Kickboxing would work on the street mainly due to the boxing and also the fact you get alot of contact sparring as well as the low kicks you learn and yeh da Muay thai elbows, clinch and knees def have been used in "real fights" and have worked. And also the part about physical attributes(strength, conditioning and endurance) is true and chinese martial arts speaking from experience ( 2 years of wushu) doesnt stress that as much as kickboxing,boxing or Muay thai except maybe the (flexability part).Finally most streetfights suck their mostly 2 losers throwing 20 shitty punches at each other ( in which case kickboxing would give you a advantage) or other fights have weapons or multiple attackers are involved ( when who you know and what you carry comes in handy). Stop watching "streetfighter" Polecat seems like you've been brainwashed in the 1st 2 lessons of what ever the **** you JUST STARTED learning

polecat63 · 07-10-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Garland

Firstly...muay thai was derived from krabbi krabong, which was an OFFENSIVE based art. These precursors to modern muay thai were not meant for the ring or the "street", but devised for killing and maiming in battle. (rent Sukiyothai)

Secondly - what the **** would you consider to be a "street martial art"?
The most common "street" moves are...sucker punches and foul tactics, plus a few lame ass punches (i.e. the haymaker).
ANY art, applied by a competent enough person, with the proper physical attributes, can "work" on "the street".
But;
boxing...cannot be beat for hands. Muay thai cannot be beat in the standup game. (except by the most exceptional kyokushin guys) BJJ and Shooto are excellent for the ground game. The FMA are the only weapons systems that won't teach you shit that can get you killed. Wing chun is supherb for the trapping range....which does not last long in a real fight.

Muay thai-will help you in the street. There are tactics in muay thai that are meant for causing maximum damage, and are not meant for use in a ring fight.
Some tactics are; elbows to the collar bone, stomps to the patella, headbutts, eye gouges in the prummb, and knees to the nuts. Muay thai also has a few "hidden" chokes in the clinche, and a few breaks and throws from there also.

Uh...that's what I said.......

IPON · 07-10-2005, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravin

Kickboxing would work on the street mainly due to the boxing

I think I agree with most of what you are saying but polcat is right in that kickboxing evolved from full contact karate and I can tell you from experience the "boxing" from kick boxers is generally poor. Now of course I mean in relation to boxers, but of course far better than a person not used to fighting or boxing. If I were to choose I would take a competent boxer over a kick boxer any day. Just my opinion from my experience.

I think what polecat was trying to say was that kickboxing wasn't borne from the street (battle field) like say MT, FMA or jujutsu etc. it was created strictly for competition in the ring. So it can't technically be considered a "street style". But as Garland stated any style trained for combat (street) application will be effective Wrestling, Boxing etc.

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Originally Posted by polecat63

It's derived from Muaythai which started as a defensive art but has been a competition art since around 1300 AD.

Polecat: I do not study MT, but from what I understand the term "competition" is probably very much an understatement. There was alot of broken bones and blood coming from these competitions in the early days

polecat63 · 07-10-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravin

Thats what i meant.. this idiot (polecat) doesnt know anything. 1 minute the faggot says he started martial arts the next minute he knows everything. Kickboxing would work on the street mainly due to the boxing and also the fact you get alot of contact sparring as well as the low kicks you learn and yeh da Muay thai elbows, clinch and knees def have been used in "real fights" and have worked. And also the part about physical attributes(strength, conditioning and endurance) is true and chinese martial arts speaking from experience ( 2 years of wushu) doesnt stress that as much as kickboxing,boxing or Muay thai except maybe the (flexability part).Finally most streetfights suck their mostly 2 losers throwing 20 shitty punches at each other ( in which case kickboxing would give you a advantage) or other fights have weapons or multiple attackers are involved ( when who you know and what you carry comes in handy). Stop watching "streetfighter" Polecat seems like you've been brainwashed in the 1st 2 lessons of what ever the **** you JUST STARTED learning

Stop crying, admit you were wrong and get on with your life. This is only a forum, doofus. I'm sorry if you think my saying I just started meant the day I made that post. Most people don't have that narrow of an outlook on life. Just started can actually mean more than a day, a month, oh heck, if you;re over twenty it could even mean more than a year. Why didn't you just check my profile and see what that said. You'd rather just re-post what somebody else posted. Easier I guess.

Heaven forbid if anyone should live outside your narrow parameters. Heaven forbid if anyone should call you out when you are obviously talking out your ass. What? you can tell me I'm lying, but when you say something stupid I can't call you on it. I was unaware that this was Ravin' World, or That'a So Ravin.

So Garland makes a post and you say, "That's what I meant" and you're a guru again? You were still wrong and garland just repeated what I said. Damn, try reading the WHOLE post and stop chopping it up to make yourselves look cool.
If you daon't know something take two seconds and look it up online. That way you won't look so stupid.

Calling me a faggot, huh? Sounds like someone might be a little homophobic, you know what that means!!

I wonder why this forum is populated by so many trolls, and that why they never seem to last long on other forums.........
Now, how about an on topic post?

polecat63 · 07-10-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by IPON

Polecat: I do not study MT, but from what I understand the term "competition" is probably very much an understatement. There was alot of broken bones and blood coming from these competitions in the early days

Yeah, from what I've read it was very brutal, and nothing like what we would think a competition is.

Ravin · 07-10-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by polecat63

I'm sorry if you think my saying I just started meant the day I made that post. Most people don't have that narrow of an outlook on life. Just started can actually mean more than a day, a month, oh heck, if you;re over twenty it could even mean more than a year.

Either you dont speak proper english or your a liar. Just starting something doesnt usually mean you've done it for over a year. Even if your telling the truth a year experience still means you know little about MA.

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Originally Posted by polecat63

Just starting in MA at the age of 41. Been taking a class on self defense from my sons karate teacher. He asked me if I would be his deciple in Xing Yi. I'm looking forward to learning from him.

Isn't this what you said ealier. IF your just starting something it still means your a beginner and doesnt know much about that something. Also you did say you just started MA which means Martial Arts so that means your a begineer to Martial Arts dumbass.

Ravin · 07-10-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by polecat63

If your Shifu did not explain to you that Xing Yi is a lethal art, he/she should have. Xing Yi is extremely deadly, dangerous, and brutal. It is not an art for the faint of heart.

Funny doesnt every BEGINEER think that about the martial arts they just STARTED learning. Atleast your Sifu (watch the spelling) has finished brainwashing your lame ass.

Tameo · 07-10-2005, 11:09 PM

I bet you think the same way about what your taking so stfu

polecat63 · 07-11-2005, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravin

Either you dont speak proper english or your a liar. Just starting something doesnt usually mean you've done it for over a year. Even if your telling the truth a year experience still means you know little about MA.

Isn't this what you said ealier. IF your just starting something it still means your a beginner and doesnt know much about that something. Also you did say you just started MA which means Martial Arts so that means your a begineer to Martial Arts dumbass.

Never said I wasn't a beginner in martial arts. I will consider myself a beginner for some time now, I'm sure. I will also consider myself "just starting" in martial arts for some time, also. The trolls have given me attributes I've never claimed to have. Never claimed to be an expert, just that I've used CMA's in a real life situation. Remember, that's the topic.

And yes, that is what I posted. So if you'll notice it is past tense, not present tense. Not I sarted today, but have been taking, as in the past. Get it.

If you doubt what I'm saying about Xing Yi just do a little research, or talk to someone who knows what it is. We could rag on each others art all day long and it wouldn't change the facts about what I study. ANd Shifu is the correct spelling. Again, do some research and you won't look so foolish. And next time you rag on someone about their spelling maybe you should proof read your own post.

So , based on the fact that all you've done is attack me, (based on someone elses original attack, very original!) one must assume that you've never seen CMA's in a real life situation.

Oh, and grow up. THIS is only a forum. It ain't real life!!!

47MartialMan · 07-11-2005, 07:33 AM

Hmmmnnnn....interesting

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Originally Posted by polecat63

Never said I wasn't a beginner in martial arts. I will consider myself a beginner for some time now, I'm sure. I will also consider myself "just starting" in martial arts for some time, also.
This doesnt make complete sense to me. How can one be a beginner for some time? How can one consider themself "just starting"-for some time? I have no intentions of offense or controversy, are youe saying that you are a beginner or just starting? Which, per my interpretation, seems to be the same.

Never claimed to be an expert, just that I've used CMA's in a real life situation. Remember, that's the topic.
Per when you were a doorman? May I ask, what age are you now and what age were you a doorman?

If you doubt what I'm saying about Xing Yi just do a little research, or talk to someone who knows what it is. And Shifu is the correct spelling. Again, do some research and you won't look so foolish. And next time you rag on someone about their spelling maybe you should proof read your own post.
Xing Yi-are you giving the reference of Xingyiquan-also spelled as Hsing I? Who is you Shifu? Shifu is spelled, per Wade Giles/Pinyin as Sifu, Si fuh, Shifu, varying dialect from general Chinese, Manderin, Cantonese, etc. So either spelling is correct.

Elfunko · 07-11-2005, 10:51 AM

Polecat: I do not study MT, but from what I understand the term "competition" is probably very much an understatement. There was alot of broken bones and blood coming from these competitions in the early days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by polecat63

Yeah, from what I've read it was very brutal, and nothing like what we would think a competition is.

Ya, that's almost an understatement from what I've read. Death and maiming were regular occurances from old MT fights. Would suck to be the rookie in that ring.

Anyway, just thought death should be added since it seemed to occur with great frequency (and isn't to be taken lightly since theres no reset button). So, continue as you were.

polecat63 · 07-11-2005, 04:54 PM

Interesting indeed........

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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

This doesnt make complete sense to me. How can one be a beginner for some time? How can one consider themself "just starting"-for some time? I have no intentions of offense or controversy, are youe saying that you are a beginner or just starting? Which, per my interpretation, seems to be the same.

Would you feel more comfortable with the word novice? Apparently semantics is extremely important on this forum. To me, beginner and novice would be interchangeable. I know the basics (and the history) of my style and I can handle myself well, but I would never presume to be anything other than a beginner/novice at my current level. Someone that's been married for thirty years would look at my paltry two and 1/2 and say I was just starting or maybe even a beginner. Hope this clarifies

Per when you were a doorman? May I ask, what age are you now and what age were you a doorman?

I was a doorman starting about the age of 20 and did it part time until age 26 or so. Mostly at a private after hour club and at special events. Started doing it again about six years ago for special events and for friends that own local clubs, probably only 8-10 times a year. Although the Irish pub I used to work at is now under new management, so I probably won't have that gig anymore. I'm forty one now and I'd have to say I'm much better at talking people out of being stupid than I was as a youth.

Xing Yi-are you giving the reference of Xingyiquan-also spelled as Hsing I? Who is you Shifu? Shifu is spelled, per Wade Giles/Pinyin as Sifu, Si fuh, Shifu, varying dialect from general Chinese, Manderin, Cantonese, etc. So either spelling is correct.

Yes, that's the one. Although I study a style called Ma Lineage Xing Yi Liu He Quan also referred to as Xin Yi Liu He Quan. Before I go throwing my Shifu's name on the internet I would first like to ask his permission. I don't think he would have a problem, but I'd rather not presume.

polecat63 · 07-11-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Elfunko

Ya, that's almost an understatement from what I've read. Death and maiming were regular occurances from old MT fights. Would suck to be the rookie in that ring.

Anyway, just thought death should be added since it seemed to occur with great frequency (and isn't to be taken lightly since theres no reset button). So, continue as you were.

DEATH
Death has been officially added to the list...

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