wing tsun vs kickboxing sparring - Page 2

gabbah · 01-01-2006, 02:36 PM

Another is to move backwards in angles while throwing techniques he will walk into, that's my favourite.

**Thai Bri** · 01-01-2006, 04:18 PM

Both of them could have done far better without any training whatsoever. All they would have needed would have been aggression and forward drive.

This kind of "sparring" is not only irrelevant to preparation for real fights, it is actually harmful. Its like training to swim the English Channel by lying belly down on a chair and wiggling your limbs about a bit.

gabbah · 01-01-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

Both of them could have done far better without any training whatsoever. All they would have needed would have been aggression and forward drive.

This kind of "sparring" is not only irrelevant to preparation for real fights, it is actually harmful. Its like training to swim the English Channel by lying belly down on a chair and wiggling your limbs about a bit.

I'm not sure I agree with you there.
I think light sparring is good to start with. You need to learn footwork and distance at first, not just come in all agressive and swinging. You will not learn to use proper techniques if you do that.
I think the key to everything is to progress, start slow/basic/isolated and then progress from there.
However, there you could for instance put on of the with his back against the wall, so he can't back up more, to force him to deal with the threat, and defend himself... there are tons of drills that will improve some aspect of the sparring that waits ahead.
Sure, you are talking about real fight, I'm talking about just harder sparring, so there's a difference there.
Let's keep this dialogue going, it's interesting.

EmptyneSs · 01-01-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardball

When someone is pressing and charging you like that; the best way to offset it is to swallow your guts and charge his as he charges you. It takes guts but is a very effective stratgey.

nah man, thats the last thing you wanna do when someone charges at you. that will get u killed. why would you choose to meet a oncoming force with any resistance at all when u can sidestep or do a three quarter turn and counterattack? u dont need to use guts and charge, u need to stay calm and think. u need to be deceptive and wait for him to attack so u can counter it and stop him dead in his tracks.

gabbah · 01-01-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

nah man, thats the last thing you wanna do when someone charges at you. that will get u killed. why would you choose to meet a oncoming force with any resistance at all when u can sidestep or do a three quarter turn and counterattack? u dont need to use guts and charge, u need to stay calm and think. u need to be deceptive and wait for him to attack so u can counter it and stop him dead in his tracks.

It all depends on the skill level really. Sidestepping and counter attacking is a level higher than many people have.
And if you have the skill, you can back off at angles, pumping the jab in his face and then follow up with a cross. Or even back off straight and do the same. It all depends on your skill level doesn't it?
A strategy can be the best for a fighter of a certian level, but be the worse for another fighter with another level...

**Thai Bri** · 01-02-2006, 07:06 AM

This kind of sparring has nothing to do with a real fight.

You can still spar lightly of course, without this nonsense posing dance that these guys (and so many others) do.

gabbah · 01-02-2006, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

This kind of sparring has nothing to do with a real fight.

You can still spar lightly of course, without this nonsense posing dance that these guys (and so many others) do.

posing dance? What are you referring to exactly? As far as I could see, the WT guy used a WT stance, and the kickboxer didn't do any posing... did he? I don't understand what you mean.

EmptyneSs · 01-02-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gabbah

It all depends on the skill level really. Sidestepping and counter attacking is a level higher than many people have.
And if you have the skill, you can back off at angles, pumping the jab in his face and then follow up with a cross. Or even back off straight and do the same. It all depends on your skill level doesn't it?
A strategy can be the best for a fighter of a certian level, but be the worse for another fighter with another level...

no matter what your skill level is, meeting an oncoming force with force is most likely a bad idea.

gabbah · 01-02-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

no matter what your skill level is, meeting an oncoming force with force is most likely a bad idea.

If you mean a guy coming at you swinging over commited when you say "oncoming force", then I would say that meeting that like I described can be good. After all, you're not really meeting him with YOUR force. It's more him walking into your cross, so it's HIS force used against him. Yeah I think that sounds pretty good.

**Thai Bri** · 01-03-2006, 03:17 PM

They'e moving about, wiggling their arms and legs.

OK, it ain't a good dance..... but its a dance.

ddrive · 01-03-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

They'e moving about, wiggling their arms and legs.
OK, it ain't a good dance..... but its a dance.

It's obvious that these two are very inexperienced. Give them time, and they'll improve. We were all like that at some point in our training.

Toudiyama[NL] · 01-03-2006, 03:35 PM

Am I the only one who thinks both are WT, behind them there is another couple, one guy with boxing gloves and a head protector
As far as I can see it's a WT school training to fight against kickboxers and boxers by letting one side act as kickboxer or boxer ( couple at the back)

gabbah · 01-03-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

They'e moving about, wiggling their arms and legs.

OK, it ain't a good dance..... but its a dance.

Sure they're moving about, which isn't a bad thing. Changing angles to attack your opponent is a good thing. The only thing missing was the actual attack. :P
But wiggling their arms and legs? I can't see that they're doing that.
In fact, I think the kickboxer looks like a typical beginner. I see those in my gym every time, they sparr like that.

gabbah · 01-03-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Toudiyama[NL]

Am I the only one who thinks both are WT, behind them there is another couple, one guy with boxing gloves and a head protector
As far as I can see it's a WT school training to fight against kickboxers and boxers by letting one side act as kickboxer or boxer ( couple at the back)

Or it's just a kickboxing gym sparring with a WT school?
They did name the thing "Andre vs kickboxer". Why not name the kickboxer if he also was in the WT school?

gabbah · 01-03-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ddrive

It's obvious that these two are very inexperienced. Give them time, and they'll improve. We were all like that at some point in our training.

Yeah exactly.

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gabbah Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 569	Another is to move backwards in angles while throwing techniques he will walk into, that's my favourite.

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Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,415	Both of them could have done far better without any training whatsoever. All they would have needed would have been aggression and forward drive. This kind of "sparring" is not only irrelevant to preparation for real fights, it is actually harmful. Its like training to swim the English Channel by lying belly down on a chair and wiggling your limbs about a bit.

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Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,415	This kind of sparring has nothing to do with a real fight. You can still spar lightly of course, without this nonsense posing dance that these guys (and so many others) do.

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Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,415	They'e moving about, wiggling their arms and legs. OK, it ain't a good dance..... but its a dance.

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