Power developement in Wing Chun.

Tameo · 01-11-2006, 11:40 PM

What are some effective ways to develope power?

Tameo · 01-11-2006, 11:42 PM

http://www.chusaulei.com/martial/art...cles_root.html
Here is an interesting article on stance training and the its benefits.

**Thai Bri** · 01-12-2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tameo

What are some effective ways to develope power?

Punch like a western boxer.

danfaggella · 01-12-2006, 11:04 PM

I don't think you have to punch like one "superior" style to punch effectively or with power. Heavy bag is something that is always recomended, as well as pushups. Keep your speed up as well obviously because thats more important in my oppinion.

I know what Thai Bri means, punch and put your body behind it, boxing principles are pretty stong and its a good idea to cross train and see what boxing can benefit you with, maybe it will be power, who knows!

Gambino · 01-18-2006, 10:15 PM

incorporating "western boxing" into WC, i believe, is a very good idea.

martial artists spend years trying to perfect their style,
boxers spend years trying to perfect their punch....

there is something to be learned there...

not to say one is better than the other, but i think they compliment each other nicely, and there is always something to be gained with cross-training.

plus, boxing will step your game up, especially if you are new to WC (or any other style, for that matter) and havent learned to be effective in a combat scenario yet...

*also*, boxing training tends to be a little more combative, and gives you some actual hand to hand experience with another human being, whom you are actually punching, and they are actually hitting you back, and the experience "in the ring" translates to experience "in the street".

actually fighting/sparring will teach you how to react when someone actually takes a swing at you, and in reallity, that is the best training of all, imho...

danfaggella · 01-18-2006, 11:31 PM

I've always considered "sparring" or "randori" type training to be the most valid. You can only do forms all day and all night, but you will be pretty worthless on the street, a practicioner of a sportive combat style (even something as limited as Judo or wester boxing) knows what a fight feels like and knows how to deal with the situation the way they know best.

**Thai Bri** · 01-19-2006, 02:14 PM

I think we've had this debate before.....

But how can Western Boxing, with its own style of power generation, complement Wing Chun that uses different methods entirely?

Its like saying that learning to fly a plane will help you're sailing.

gabbah · 01-19-2006, 10:41 PM

Also, from what I understand the philosophy of wing chun is to strike fast as hell rather than hard. If you punch like boxers it won't be as fast and it's does not stick to wing chun principles anymore, right?

Tameo · 01-19-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gabbah

Also, from what I understand the philosophy of wing chun is to strike fast as hell rather than hard. If you punch like boxers it won't be as fast and it's does not stick to wing chun principles anymore, right?

Philosophy of which wing chun says that?

Tee Sok · 01-20-2006, 03:00 AM

One of the wing chun principles is to close the distance as soon as possible. And by the way, boxers are fast as hell too.

gabbah · 01-20-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tameo

Philosophy of which wing chun says that?

Perhaps "principle" is the correct term? Anyway that's what I've been told by a wing chun instructor. But hey, it was probably fake wing chun anyway I guess.

It seems hard to find the real stuff these days...

gabbah · 01-20-2006, 08:13 AM

To answer your initial question tameo, I would say heavy bag work is the best way to develop power.
It wasn't long ago that my body shots were nothing my sparring partners worried about. So I worked for some time on my body shots on the heavy bag, and I got a huge improvement in power. Now my sparring partners will have swollen forearms (where you take the body shot aimed at your ribs).
A guy I sparred with not used to that kind of boxing didn't handle it as well as the more experienced guys in my gym. But he's a tough kid and he likes to go hard (and perhaps thinks he's better than he is...). I dropped him three times with hooks to the solar plexus, but he kept getting to his feet after some rest. After training he showed me bruises on his ribs from my right hand body shots. He had trouble breathing and so he went to the hospital to check his ribs out. He was not there next training, so I dunno what happened to his ribs. That was with 12oz gloves btw, that's what most of us use in sparring.
And I'm the smallest and lightest guy there (5'7"). So I would indeed recommend that you work the heavy bag and focus on proper (boxing) mechanics if you want power.

**Thai Bri** · 01-20-2006, 04:37 PM

Your Kung Fi is fake Kung Fu not real.

If I strike 100% of power to ratio 22-2, then you hit 22% of 110-1, your Kung Fu fake Kung Fu Convinced?

Tom Yum · 01-20-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

Your Kung Fi is fake Kung Fu not real.

If I strike 100% of power to ratio 22-2, then you hit 22% of 110-1, your Kung Fu fake Kung Fu Convinced?

LMAO.......

Thanks Thai!

Tom Yum · 01-21-2006, 03:09 PM

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What are some effective ways to develope power?

http://www.break.com/index/potatogunballs.html

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danfaggella Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston RI Posts: 1,089 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't think you have to punch like one "superior" style to punch effectively or with power. Heavy bag is something that is always recomended, as well as pushups. Keep your speed up as well obviously because thats more important in my oppinion. I know what Thai Bri means, punch and put your body behind it, boxing principles are pretty stong and its a good idea to cross train and see what boxing can benefit you with, maybe it will be power, who knows!

01-18-2006, 10:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gambino Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SW Houston, TX Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	incorporating "western boxing" into WC, i believe, is a very good idea. martial artists spend years trying to perfect their style, boxers spend years trying to perfect their punch.... there is something to be learned there... not to say one is better than the other, but i think they compliment each other nicely, and there is always something to be gained with cross-training. plus, boxing will step your game up, especially if you are new to WC (or any other style, for that matter) and havent learned to be effective in a combat scenario yet... also, boxing training tends to be a little more combative, and gives you some actual hand to hand experience with another human being, whom you are actually punching, and they are actually hitting you back, and the experience "in the ring" translates to experience "in the street". actually fighting/sparring will teach you how to react when someone actually takes a swing at you, and in reallity, that is the best training of all, imho...

01-18-2006, 11:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
danfaggella Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston RI Posts: 1,089 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've always considered "sparring" or "randori" type training to be the most valid. You can only do forms all day and all night, but you will be pretty worthless on the street, a practicioner of a sportive combat style (even something as limited as Judo or wester boxing) knows what a fight feels like and knows how to deal with the situation the way they know best.

01-19-2006, 02:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think we've had this debate before..... But how can Western Boxing, with its own style of power generation, complement Wing Chun that uses different methods entirely? Its like saying that learning to fly a plane will help you're sailing.

01-19-2006, 10:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
gabbah Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 573 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also, from what I understand the philosophy of wing chun is to strike fast as hell rather than hard. If you punch like boxers it won't be as fast and it's does not stick to wing chun principles anymore, right?

01-20-2006, 03:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tee Sok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 323 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	One of the wing chun principles is to close the distance as soon as possible. And by the way, boxers are fast as hell too.

01-20-2006, 08:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
gabbah Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 573 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	To answer your initial question tameo, I would say heavy bag work is the best way to develop power. It wasn't long ago that my body shots were nothing my sparring partners worried about. So I worked for some time on my body shots on the heavy bag, and I got a huge improvement in power. Now my sparring partners will have swollen forearms (where you take the body shot aimed at your ribs). A guy I sparred with not used to that kind of boxing didn't handle it as well as the more experienced guys in my gym. But he's a tough kid and he likes to go hard (and perhaps thinks he's better than he is...). I dropped him three times with hooks to the solar plexus, but he kept getting to his feet after some rest. After training he showed me bruises on his ribs from my right hand body shots. He had trouble breathing and so he went to the hospital to check his ribs out. He was not there next training, so I dunno what happened to his ribs. That was with 12oz gloves btw, that's what most of us use in sparring. And I'm the smallest and lightest guy there (5'7"). So I would indeed recommend that you work the heavy bag and focus on proper (boxing) mechanics if you want power.

01-20-2006, 04:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Your Kung Fi is fake Kung Fu not real. If I strike 100% of power to ratio 22-2, then you hit 22% of 110-1, your Kung Fu fake Kung Fu Convinced?

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