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fijeeboi · 11-13-2006, 02:24 AM

Why dont some shaolin monks do some MMA type events? I'm assuming its because they do not believe in that kind of competition or something. I still think it would be cool to see.

jubaji · 11-13-2006, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fijeeboi

Why dont some shaolin monks do some MMA type events? I'm assuming its because they do not believe in that kind of competition or something.

.........or something.

Rickster · 11-13-2006, 09:19 AM

I have seen a Karateka beat the crap out of a bar brawler.

Toudiyama[NL] · 11-13-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Garland

I'm sick of this "it's not the style, it's the person" bullshit. It's true to a degree...but you get me any yello bamboo or wado ryu guy and put them up against...actually... almost anybody else, and they will get stomped to goo. They'd be better off not training anything at all.

You don't quite understand Wado do you? I'm a Wado karateka and I never had any problems holding my own when training something else like MT/Kickboxing, savate or Ashihara Karate ( Kyokushin offshoot) ( All 3 I did for 1 or 2 seasons)
The only people that gave me a hard time wre Mousid who at the time was European champion and Gerard Cordeau who compete in the first UFC ( was in the final against Gracie)
And I'm not competition minded at all, I train for myself, not to compete with others
People with a simular amount of traininghours have never given me any problems
Now if a style can be crap and I would be better of not training at all, then what does that make me? a super talent ?( no Way jose)
I don't think so
BTW did you know that Fred Rooyers a former World champion is a Wado Karateka too and also made an easy switch to MT Kickboxing and Savate?

Rickster · 11-13-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toudiyama[NL]

BTW did you know that Fred Rooyers a former World champion is a Wado Karateka too and also made an easy switch to MT Kickboxing and Savate?

Hmmnnn.....Why would he switch?

fijeeboi · 11-13-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

.........or something.

Yea, either that or they know that their 130lb frames are going to get crushed.

Garland · 11-13-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Toudiyama[NL]

You don't quite understand Wado do you? I'm a Wado karateka what does that make me? a super talent ?( no Way jose)

1. I never said anything about Wado.
2. Good for you.
3. who knows, you may be superfly...don't sell yourself short.

P.S. Gerard is fuckin' hella cool...I remember the tooth of the Sumo dude in UFC 1...psssssahhh.....flying way out of the cage.

Toudiyama[NL] · 11-14-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Garland

1. I never said anything about Wado.
2. Good for you.
3. who knows, you may be superfly...don't sell yourself short.

P.S. Gerard is fuckin' hella cool...I remember the tooth of the Sumo dude in UFC 1...psssssahhh.....flying way out of the cage.

1) You said "you get me any yello bamboo or wado ryu guy and put them up against...actually... almost anybody else" sound like sying something about Wado to me

2&3 Nah not by a long shot, I think my Wado training gave a good base for crosstraining

Toudiyama[NL] · 11-14-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickster

Hmmnnn.....Why would he switch?

Sorry Hi Also started doing..... he never stopped doing WadoKarate
BTW he was 1 of the members of the dutch team that became worldcampion Wuko in the 80's

dutch Kickboxing pioneers didn't start because Karate was no good, they just didn't like the way it was refereed, a KO is clear and can't be denied was their saying ( another group just didn't have the control to do well in non/semi contact fights namely Chakuriki)
And then they had to fight in France were they would lose even if they totaly dominated their opponent ( nationalistic refereeing)
same happened in the UK

In the EU people do Martial Arts for sport, because it is fun, only a minority does it just for Self Defence

Mephariel · 12-04-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fijeeboi

Why dont some shaolin monks do some MMA type events? I'm assuming its because they do not believe in that kind of competition or something. I still think it would be cool to see.

Why would monks go into prize fighting? What would they gain by prize fighting? And why would Shaolin monks do some MMA type even when they are not doing MMA in the first place?

jubaji · 12-04-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mephariel

Why would monks go into prize fighting? What would they gain by prize fighting?

Um...the prize?

fijeeboi · 12-04-2006, 07:34 PM

^^^^
Good point

47MartialMan · 12-04-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

A)Why do they go on tour and smash themselves over the heads with hammers? Why do they bang swords against their skin and pretend it doesn't cut them? Why do they bend spears on their necks? Why do they lay down on broken glass and nails while people break cement blocks on their chests? Why do they do any of the thousands of purely theatrical things they do all over the world on tour?

B)Don't kid yourself, Meph. They're just as into fame, money, and recognition as any MMA star out there, and the tours and stuntshows prove that. You can choose to believe that the monks are just living a simple Buddhist life, but if you want me to believe it, you'll have to show me where it says in Buddhism that part of living simply is travelling the world and showing off.

If they really were as invincible as you think they are, MMA would be a piece of cake.

A) Because they want to show they are the best!

B) Buddhism was supposed that of detachment

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47MartialMan · 12-05-2006, 08:28 PM

The "best at what?", is the hidden question.

Neltharius · 12-25-2006, 07:23 AM

Most of the demonstrations don't involve actually hurting someone. One of the stresses of Kung Fu is that you only hurt someone when you absolutely have to. Competing in martial arts usually involves hurting someone when you don't have to, though the presence of monks in competitive martial arts is slowly increasing because of the recent leniency of the temple.

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11-13-2006, 02:24 AM	#46 (permalink)
fijeeboi Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why dont some shaolin monks do some MMA type events? I'm assuming its because they do not believe in that kind of competition or something. I still think it would be cool to see.

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Rickster Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 154 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have seen a Karateka beat the crap out of a bar brawler.

12-04-2006, 07:34 PM	#57 (permalink)
fijeeboi Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	^^^^ Good point

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47MartialMan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 571 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The "best at what?", is the hidden question.

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Neltharius Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Most of the demonstrations don't involve actually hurting someone. One of the stresses of Kung Fu is that you only hurt someone when you absolutely have to. Competing in martial arts usually involves hurting someone when you don't have to, though the presence of monks in competitive martial arts is slowly increasing because of the recent leniency of the temple.

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