Wing Tsun vs. Pin Sun Wing Chun - Page 2

tjwingchun · 09-15-2006, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

Falling step? So what? It has been taken and used by the WW2 Combatives crowd, and they call it the drop step? What next? Picking up on someone mentioning a round kick instead of calling it a roundhouse?

I know the issues re the limitations of boxing, but was not aware that SOME people intepretation of WC is that they somehow use the falling step with the rear leg. Is that supposed to protect them from low kicks and take downs? I hope not because it wouldn't work.

I use the structure that is formed when falling to transmit energy through, protecting against kicks and take downs is much more about pre-emptive shifting and covering the elbows as you move in.

Thought you might have beaten me to a reply here but I was busy writing lol

**Thai Bri** · 09-15-2006, 05:00 AM

I use timing and power. I.e. I strike at a moment when, owing to our relative distance and positioning, i am likely to hit him, and the power of the fall (strike landing just prior to the foot) means that he will not be able to throw anytechnique. It's pretty hard to do at the moment you have a fist in your chops.

**Thai Bri** · 09-15-2006, 05:02 AM

Anyway, as an aside, if you want to see more total bollocks written about Wing Chun, then this is the site to search. People from the WC clan have written all kinds of nonsense here.

My personal favourite (I mean that, she's like a neice to me!) was Little Demon. A teenager who thought that prancing around the garden in her Wing Chun stance whilst blindfolded, would tune her extrat sensory Wing Chun prowess! Haw haw haw!

tjwingchun · 09-15-2006, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

I use timing and power. I.e. I strike at a moment when, owing to our relative distance and positioning, i am likely to hit him, and the power of the fall (strike landing just prior to the foot) means that he will not be able to throw anytechnique. It's pretty hard to do at the moment you have a fist in your chops.

Very similar to how I explain ENTRY TECHNIQUES.

Once I get my old video camera working I will be downloading all the seminars I have recorded and putting them on my website when it has been updated, as well as putting a lot of stuff on youtube and various other outlets.

Even Dempsey's book needs interpretation as he was no scholar of body mechanics but at least he tried to tell people how he thought he did it, if you get my drift. There are a few anomalies but it is still one of the best books for understanding punching power.

tjwingchun · 09-15-2006, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

My personal favourite (I mean that, she's like a neice to me!) was Little Demon. A teenager who thought that prancing around the garden in her Wing Chun stance whilst blindfolded, would tune her extrat sensory Wing Chun prowess! Haw haw haw!

My view is that although it is useful at times to train blindfold, it is a medium level chi sau practise, years ago Sifu got me and Shaun Rawcliffe to do blindfolded chi sau, no problems, we both took turns putting a blind fold on, then Sifu said "right, both blindfolded" to which Shaun said "fook off", the feeling was that when he was blind folded, he knew I could control my strikes, and when I was blindfolded he could at least avoid heavy contact by instinctively moving away from strikes using vision triggered response, but if we were both blindfolded I would not be able to control my energy to stop at contact if he was unwittingly moving toward my strike.

I was not bothered getting hit is part of understanding but the blindfold thing is made too much of, as I said very useful to get students to "feel" rather than rely on their eyes, but your vision is so important at the pre-contact range, peripheral especially.

When I was a mere child we were taught that doing press-ups on your thumbs was essential and having a partner lie across your knees to keep the legs straight was the way to do sit-ups by the thousand.

Ah how times have changed, though my back is still fooked,

**Thai Bri** · 09-15-2006, 07:40 AM

I too can see the value of training blindfoled, when you are in contact with each other. IT can, indeed, improve your interpretation of the "messages" sent by his movement.

I also learnt a neat trick used by the Chief Instructor of C2 - Core Combatives. Using it you can even strike whilst blindfolded without missing.....

But prancin' round the garden? Nah!

SwissPrecision · 09-15-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tjwingchun

the front leg steps and therefore has no weight on it so all the weight must be on the back leg, the big change is when the front foot lands it now has to be thought of as the "REAR" leg, even though it is in front of you!?!

@tjwingchun: You're an idiot. Go and reread my post, bc you didn't understand a thing. Where in my post did I say that 'the front leg becomes the back leg' ? I just mentiond you slide with your whole bodymass.

tjwingchun · 09-15-2006, 08:20 AM

You said

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Originally Posted by SwissPrecision

In WT it's the same concept, only you don't step with your mass on the lead leg, you slide-step with your mass.

Example: In WT it is sayed your weight must be placeted on the rear leg (let's call it point B)

and with your front leg (point A) must be free of mass.

We will call your oponent's CoM on the ground point C,

now the corect WT step must move your mass (back leg !) from point B to point C.

I initially said the above is bollocks, as how do you get your mass from B to C with A being free of mass?

If your A is free of mass while your B is getting to C it means you are dragging/hopping in not driving in with structure.

It was me who said about the front leg becoming the rear as abstract concept to understand the processes that are involved when you step into a fight situation that occur with in split seconds of time.

I may be an idiot but I would love to see you SLIDE YOUR WHOLE BODYMASS in a carpark,

**Thai Bri** · 09-15-2006, 08:29 AM

I think we're back to that one legged chicken hoppin'.

Squawk! -

tjwingchun · 09-15-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Thai Bri

I think we're back to that one legged chicken hoppin'.

Squawk! -

Heard it's finger lickin' good

**Thai Bri** · 09-15-2006, 08:40 AM

That reminds me of a time when Dave Carnell was explainng the origins of WC to me and a couple of my buddies.

He said "Its a cross between the Crane....." - and then proceeded to flap his arms like a chicken....."and the Snake!"

When he said snake he snapped out a bil jee and went, in all seriousness... "Hisssss!"

We nearly hissed our pants.

tjwingchun · 09-15-2006, 11:20 AM

I remember not long after I had joined the association, we were doing a demo in Burslam I think, big local event with a 13 course meal after in a Chinese restaurant, before the demo we were getting changed into the fancy satin stuff and I was down to do the breaking demo when Dave came up and asked me "how do you break the wood?"

I was dumbfoounded as him and Kevin were supposed to be the bees knees, I just looked him in the eyes and said "hit it".

The most memorable thing though about that day was the meal, although I am game to eat anything I was sitting next to this lad who, when the chicken dish came out which was a whole chicken halfed and portioned, decided to take half of its skull into his mouth to suck the brains out, and he was not even Chinese!! (not you Thai Bri?)

Since then then most foul (not fowl) meal has to be in Foshan where they had a fish special menu where they cooked and used everything from a revered fish! The "Fish Nose Soup" once tasted was never forgotten or tried again lol.

The things in life we do eh?

**Thai Bri** · 09-15-2006, 11:26 AM

Not me mate.

One or two of the "green sashes" in Burslem were into being the big "I am." These lads looked like nerds, talked like nerds and, when it was time for me to do a few drills with them...... folded like nerds.

Fond memories!

tjwingchun · 09-16-2006, 12:34 PM

Seems to have gone quiet Thai Bri, is that what happens when you fold a 'neat turd', it becomes a ne'rd! what about a cunning bint? or a twisting prat?

09-15-2006, 11:20 AM	#27 (permalink)
tjwingchun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Gateshead UK, soon to be Majorca Posts: 103	I remember not long after I had joined the association, we were doing a demo in Burslam I think, big local event with a 13 course meal after in a Chinese restaurant, before the demo we were getting changed into the fancy satin stuff and I was down to do the breaking demo when Dave came up and asked me "how do you break the wood?" I was dumbfoounded as him and Kevin were supposed to be the bees knees, I just looked him in the eyes and said "hit it". The most memorable thing though about that day was the meal, although I am game to eat anything I was sitting next to this lad who, when the chicken dish came out which was a whole chicken halfed and portioned, decided to take half of its skull into his mouth to suck the brains out, and he was not even Chinese!! (not you Thai Bri?) Since then then most foul (not fowl) meal has to be in Foshan where they had a fish special menu where they cooked and used everything from a revered fish! The "Fish Nose Soup" once tasted was never forgotten or tried again lol. The things in life we do eh? __________________ Take care out there and keep me www.tjwingchun.co.uk sifu www.kwokwingchun.com sigung www.ipchun.org my family www.ipfamilywingchun.com questions are how we grow, answers how we develop, knowledge is power.

09-16-2006, 12:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
tjwingchun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Gateshead UK, soon to be Majorca Posts: 103	Seems to have gone quiet Thai Bri, is that what happens when you fold a 'neat turd', it becomes a ne'rd! what about a cunning bint? or a twisting prat? __________________ Take care out there and keep me www.tjwingchun.co.uk sifu www.kwokwingchun.com sigung www.ipchun.org my family www.ipfamilywingchun.com questions are how we grow, answers how we develop, knowledge is power.

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09-15-2006, 05:00 AM	#17 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	I use timing and power. I.e. I strike at a moment when, owing to our relative distance and positioning, i am likely to hit him, and the power of the fall (strike landing just prior to the foot) means that he will not be able to throw anytechnique. It's pretty hard to do at the moment you have a fist in your chops.

09-15-2006, 05:02 AM	#18 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	Anyway, as an aside, if you want to see more total bollocks written about Wing Chun, then this is the site to search. People from the WC clan have written all kinds of nonsense here. My personal favourite (I mean that, she's like a neice to me!) was Little Demon. A teenager who thought that prancing around the garden in her Wing Chun stance whilst blindfolded, would tune her extrat sensory Wing Chun prowess! Haw haw haw!

09-15-2006, 07:40 AM	#21 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	I too can see the value of training blindfoled, when you are in contact with each other. IT can, indeed, improve your interpretation of the "messages" sent by his movement. I also learnt a neat trick used by the Chief Instructor of C2 - Core Combatives. Using it you can even strike whilst blindfolded without missing..... But prancin' round the garden? Nah!

09-15-2006, 08:29 AM	#24 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	I think we're back to that one legged chicken hoppin'. Squawk! -

09-15-2006, 08:40 AM	#26 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	That reminds me of a time when Dave Carnell was explainng the origins of WC to me and a couple of my buddies. He said "Its a cross between the Crane....." - and then proceeded to flap his arms like a chicken....."and the Snake!" When he said snake he snapped out a bil jee and went, in all seriousness... "Hisssss!" We nearly hissed our pants.

09-15-2006, 11:26 AM	#28 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	Not me mate. One or two of the "green sashes" in Burslem were into being the big "I am." These lads looked like nerds, talked like nerds and, when it was time for me to do a few drills with them...... folded like nerds. Fond memories!

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