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Well yes.

To say one doesn't do Kung Fu any more arguably shows a lack of understanding in the first place.

Kung Fu/Gung Fu is not a style!

Kung Fu/Gung Fu means work done/hard work/work in progress etc.

So when you say you don't do Kung Fu any more...........
I believe what SL means, is that he doesn't do CMA any more.

Sagacious Lu

[quote]When I want to study history (and I do enjoy reading about history) I look for historians, not martial artists. When I signed up the school billed itself as "The Ultimate in Self-Defense". I took it for granted that the claim was hyperbolic but it was clear that on of the school's main goals was to prepare you to fight.


Not at that school it wasn't; they did everything but there.



Why is that? Is it because you're offended that I actually expect to be able to use a martial art in a fight, or is it because I'm supposed to pretend that the time I spent practicing those jumping spinning kicks was as helpful for self-defense as the time I spend sparring now? The reason you're not going to respond is because you won't admit that I'm right but you don't have a counter-argument either.


Bullshit I can evaluate my skills, my fundamental skills have grown by leaps and bounds. There are a number of people that I can now dominate in sparring that used to be able to embarass me at will. You can willfully disbelieve what I'm telling you but the fact is that I have seen far more tangible growth in my ability with my current training methods than I ever did at my previous school.



This is a fancy way of trying to get out of making a counter-argument.


Exactly, I gave up CMA because I was told it was "the ultimate in self-defense" but there was very little actual self-defense in the curriculum. I was fine with getting a little history mixed into the lesson but that was not what I went there for and the system did not perform as advertised. If I wanted history lessons I'd enroll in some college courses, I went there to learn self-defense like it promised in the school brochure.


The rest of the world can make of it what they want, I for one will continue to speak my mind. The forum is here to discuss the CMAs, which is what I'm doing by providing legitimate criticism of one prominent CMA. Go ahead and report my post if you want, I'm pretty sure I haven't said anything that will upset the mods.

This line of shit again? Damn, and you think MY ego is out of control? Look, I'm just stating my point of view and I haven't attacked anyone personally. You on the other hand have consistantly tried to belittle me personally without providing any real response to the points that I've made. You are certainly in no position to pass judgement on me.

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Sagacious Lu

LOL at you trying to attack me with semantics.

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Sagacious Lu

That's exactly what I did. FYI some of the coaches in my gym are in their 60s and they still work out and train just like the rest of us so what that tells me is that what you can do when you get older depends on the individual.

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Tom Yum

[quote=Sagacious Lu;263385]Do they teach jump spinning kicks in Hung gar? I did not know this.

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Hardball

Lady, does this strike up memories in me. Swimming in the Pool or Lake does not prepare you to swim in the ocean. I wonder if this can be applied to Martial Arts?

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Sagacious Lu

[quote=Tom Yum;263388]
They sure do. When I first got to the school we practiced them very rarely because we had a hard-nosed group of students so my teacher focused on things that were more practical. As the senior students drifted away the school started focusing on demonstrations to make up for the lack of tuition money and we started doing that sort of thing a lot more often.

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Troll Virus

Do you?
Personally, I look for people who know what they are talking about.
I thought that was your point though; that history and tradition were unproven if not improvable and that only that which could be physically proved was acceptable to you?



So is your problem with the style, or rather how you portray it to be marketed?


So have you found any schools where all they do is fight yet?





Why is that? Is it because you're offended that I actually expect to be able to use a martial art in a fight, or is it because I'm supposed to pretend that the time I spent practicing those jumping spinning kicks was as helpful for self-defense as the time I spend sparring now? The reason you're not going to respond is because you won't admit that I'm right but you don't have a counter-argument either.
Nope.




Yada yada yada.
I'm happy for you.
Finally kicking sand in the bullies faces n stuff must be just terrific right now.





No it's not.
It's something you've yet to realise.
Truth is not a fixed number, it is a variable perspective which makes discussion both interesting and tiresome.




Bingo.
So how many years did it take you to realise this?



Brought a tear of compassion to my eye.
Poor you.
Whatever did you do next?




Groundhog day again.
You're not doing anything for/against CMA one way or the other.
You and Thai Bri need to get over your own ideas of your self importance.
What you ARE doing, is putting off people better equipped than you, me or Thai Bri, from taking part in defend.net.
I also feel it relevant to point out, that your overly expressed perspective would be relatively pedestrian on Bullshido and can't help wondering if you are not exercising your own ego by'standing out' on defend.net.
I think that's called 'Attention-Seeking'



Likewise.



EVERYONE here, is in a position to pass judgement on you.
Me too!

Attack you with semantics?
No.
The title of your thread was stupid.
I knew what you meant, but anyone knowing anything about CMA would think you were either a noob, or perhaps just a bit dim.

jubaji

I could not disagree more.

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Troll Virus

LOL.
C'mon jubaji, tell us why that's so?
Read the thread, understand the backgrounds and issues of each person mentioned, then spray us with your pearly drops of wisdom.

Note though, that I've been looking through the CMA section of this board today, and noted a host of people who just gave up on the forum over the last three years.

jubaji

Because discussing CMA can hardly be detrimental to a forum dedicated to discussing CMA. Its not so hard to understand.

And anyone who is so "put off" by examination, criticism, and even vigorous debate that they run away from a forum isn't worth bothering with anyway.
I mean, they can't be too terribly 'martial' if they are scared away by a 'discussion.'

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Troll Virus

Kind of my point right there;
CMA is not being discussed.
CMA as it relates to other things IS.

Sadly, they can't be bothered.
If people wanted to find somewhere they'd be offended every which whey they turned, there are certainly worse forums they could go to, but without allowing people a little slack, why would they stay here?
I think, like SL and TB, you think of the forum in terms of 'What Suits You' rather than the needs of others.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sagacious Lu

What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about a system that has questionable training practices.


How I portray it? I'm just quoting from the school brochure. You can't give me the line of crap about how "they're not trying to learn self defense they're just there for self-improvement" because the school makes it very clear what it's goal is.

Of course. They're all over the place.

Yeah, I trained hard at something that works and my skills improved, I guess that makes me a real loser :P

I left when I ran out of training partners. There's just no getting around the fact that you need people to practice with in order to get better.



Anyone that's really knowledgable should be able to understand where I'm coming from. If someone finds this thread so offensive that they won't so much as try to communicate with me than they're obviously too insecure to have a mature discussion anyway.

What about Bullshido? Why do you keep bringing it up? I haven't mentioned the site because I don't see what it has to do with this thread. You have a real issue with that site don't you?

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jubaji

Considering how a thing relates to other things of a similar category is discussion of that thing.

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jubaji

If 'discussion' in your mind is limited to repeating over and over again, "Gee, isn't 'X' great? Yeah, its sure great!" even the most zombified adherent is gonna run out of things to say mighty quick. You can't be afraid of questions and different points of view. Taking a hard look makes a position stronger or causes a change in point of view. Not necessarily a bad thing. Is your opinion of CMA so poor that you feel it can't stand before scrutiny even after all this time?

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