DickHardman

btw tom, sounds like you been training a lot of grappling over there in the military, is that correct?

Mike Brewer

I'd hazard a guess that he's been training a lot, but not a ton on hand-to-hand.

Tom Yum

Yeah, you probably wouldn't see too many tornado kicks, jump spin kicks etc. just basic open handed striking and kicking - probably at all levels, but with atleast one foot on the ground. Knife work too.

I'm not doing any hand to hand or CQB training just yet, guys. I've got a while to go.

Any hand to hand stuff that I want to do now is on my own - at some point I'll get some time down the line I'll get CQB training.

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Liberty

[quote=Tom Yum;291296]Which moves?

The guillotine might be one of them I can think of off hand, but I'd like to see your list. Maybe a lapel choke?

Jiu-jitsu itself is not a sport, remember? Brazillian jiu-jitsu can be used in empty handed situations. Just like Boxing can. Both have sport sides to them; both can be used to some degree in self-defense.

Remember when Tyson got jumped a few years ago by 2 guys? Tyson took them both out without any problems without taking the fight to the ground. In another press-release, one of the attackers is reported to have pulled out a metal bar to try and stop Tyson after clearly pissing him off.

http://www.rediff.com/sports/2003/oct/01tyson.htm [quote]

Here is a short list:

YouTube - Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Demonstration

And, I agree - Jiu-jitsu itself is not a sport. BJJ is. Jiu-jitsu is pure, no holds bared self-defense.

As for Tyson, how many Chunners/"martial" artists train to be that ugly if need be? Here Vunak's camp is right on the money. Personally, I have no qualms whatsoever about taking someone out in a life-threatening situation - none what so-ever. I long ago reconciled the fact that some individuals are heartless, absolutely cruel and that there is no sense in not training for their eventuality. When I see trouble, I cross the street. But I'll be damed if I am not going to train to take those types out if need be. Especially given how many by-standers will stand by and do nothing, frozen in their lack of training for such ugliness. We can't all be Frank Shamrock's, Rampages, et al. I have no doubt they'd not fare well in the street, if need be. But they are indivuald tapped into their adrenalin. Thus we must train for that type of do or die fighting until it is instinct. Fully committed to walking away peacefully yet just as committed to the ugly if that's unavoidable. That is a different kind of training then merely rolling around taping someone when they've got us in a hold. It requires a mindset - an anger, a viciousness tappped into til it is there on call. A striking from that, a grappling from that. An ugly kind of training. Again, that is my midset.

Here is something worth reading:
http://www.submissions101.com/hh.htm

That said, this sight is awesome:

http://www.submissions101.com/grappling.htm

Peace

jubaji

[quote=Liberty;291316]

Hmmmmm...


Meaning what, exactly?

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Liberty

[quote=jubaji;291317]Troublemaker - LOL!

Ghost

actually i think Librarians post was very good.
Though im not sure we NEED to train for it, as its so unlikely to happen.
However, if you want to train for self defense then i think he sums it up well.

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"Librarian," hunh? Ha, ha, ha, ha - gotta love you guys - dude, that was hilarious! Hadn't thought of humour as an escape move - crack the guy over the psyche with a few good one-liners - hit'em/break free as he busts out laughing - good one!

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lol i was being serious though with the rest of it, i thought it was a good post. Though i do think the chance of being attacked like that is so small as to not be worth wasting time training for, unless you want to , but if you do want to then your idea is about spot on.

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[quote=jubaji;291317]Don't sleep with Tom's girl friend.

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[quote=jubaji;291317]Wasn't my post, jubs. He messed up the HTML and included his statement in there. Check my original posts.

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PS - what BJJ said

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