Tom Yum

http://www.youtube.com/v/Glv1xm8Vk8g

Looks kind of fake...

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KickNit

Not a very good video. A little out of focus.

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Thai Bri

Can't get it to load.

npk9

Not very good (in reference to quality of the vid) since its being recorded off of a TV or a monitor. I guess we would need to see the source.

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freefighter2010

Load of rubbish the day WC can be used in a street fight is the day pigs will be flying outside my bedroom window

Red Rum

Your lack of faith is disturbing...........

Red Rum

Your lack of faith is disturbing...........

freefighter2010

Red Rum,

Apologises to sound so condesending. I read your previous posts about some guys who are very good at WC and from you said can use this style in the street to defend themselves.

Maybe i am taking this too heart too much. When you invest such a long time in a system you expect to beable to defend yourself or else why do it.

Thanks,

Karok

Mike Brewer

I'd say that's entirely fair. Screw "faith." You're learning self-defense for results, not religion, right? If you're doing it so that you'll be able to fight and not take an ass kicking, then you're absolutely right not to be satisfied. Of course we don't know the details of the fight you were in, but chances are if you felt like a fish out of water and you didn't have any answers for what was going on, then your training may be letting you down.

Red Rum - before you get all worked up, I said the training was letting him down, not the style.

While I'd hesitate to dismiss wing chun as a fighting art, you do need to be looking for a place that trains combatively. You need to find someplace that does contact sparring. You need to look for someplace that trains against every range. If you walk in and see the advanced students stranding in trapping range working endless streams of trapping combos instead of training against kicks, long range punches (the way other people throw them, and not the way wing chun does), or training to beat a good grappler's shoot, take your money elsewhere. There are four good criteria by which you can generally judge a good training program from any art:

1. Mindset. Are these people training to understand an art, or to be able to fight? There is certainly a time and place for each, but you need to find a place with the same agenda as you. If they're into it for the art and you're into it to be able to fight, you're going to be disappointed.

2. Conditioning. If the school doesn't pay attention to conditioning the body: getting in shape, toughening against impact, strngthening endurance, etc - Run screaming. Technique does not overcome attributes. It amplifies them, but it is not, by itself, a good substitute.

3. Range. Do they train against other ranges and other delivery systems? If they train every drill against the same kinds of tools they use without acknowledging the way other people fight, then it'll never work outside your gym. What I mean is, if you learn everything you do based on the way a wing chun guy throws a punch, what are you going to do against a guy who kicks like a thai boxer or punches like a drunk? Training needs to take into account the opponent and his most common delivery systems, or you're only learning 50% of the fight.

4. Decorations. Do they get straight to the point or do they flower everything up? Generally speaking, the more attention is paid to superficial decoration, the less is placed on the real meat of learning to fight.

These aren't failsafe, but they're not a bad way to make an initial judgement. And in the end, screw "faith." You're not training to be some kind of Jedi, you're training so you don't get beat up, right? So go where they'll give you those abilities. If you really have put in your time, worked hard, and trained the way your instructor told you to and the art still let you down, go elsewhere. And don't let anyone make you feel guilty about it. If you don't want to leave, talk to your instructor and tell him how screwed up it is that you've worked that hard and still got your ass kicked. See if he's training you for self-defense or for wing chun ability. If he's not on the same wavelength as you, take off! Judge your art by the results it's giving you. That's the only criteria that makes any difference at all.

Red Rum

My faith comment was a joke.. Has no-one seen Star Wars?

I don't get that worked up anymore - I've chilled out immesley!
And I agree completely with what you are saying about combative arts

Mike Brewer

I caught the Darth Vader line, which is why I poked fun about training to be a Jedi. I just wanted you to know I wasn't bashing Wing Chun is all.

bodhisattva

Heh. I caught it.

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martialartspeon

Looks like some fast punches in there but really hard to see, that is a poor quality video. I couldn't tell how he took the guy down at the end. Did anyone catch that?

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YouTube - Aaron Baum Wing Chun NHB fight

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