Liberty

Tell that to this guy - LOL! Well, enjoy the visuals (er, vision?) LOL!

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Red Rum

Yeah my point was that even as a sarcastic rant, putting one style into one box is misguided. It would be like me grouping Shaolin styles together.
A local school 'Nam Yang' did a demo recently which was dreadful. Yet I wouldn't suggest for one minute that this is representative of all shaolin styles.

Again you are grouping it as one thing. There are so many variations of wing chun that putting them in one box is ludicrous. There is no overall governing body, and some instructors like the traditional way of wing chun, whereas others want to improve its fighting ability. Also a lot of Masters do not do other martial arts, so it is hard for them to adapt the system

Sensitivity is incredibly important in a fight. If you have ever been in a fight (and I'm not judging you if you haven't), most of the time it is hard to rely on your eyes. In things like boxers clinches, or grabs, you can feel when you're opponent is going to release his hand before he does the action
If a person strikes and makes contact with your arm, you will find ways round the arm, instead of relying on your eyes to try and look for gaps. If you hit someone and they go back, your sensitivity will help follow them (rather than let them break off and come back and attack). Sensitivity is a tool. It is not a secret art that will give you super powers or something but it will help you greatly. I do well in BJJ because of this stick. Without it, I would have to rely a lot on reaction

If you are talking solely about ring fighting then I will withdraw that.
I have seen people in their 50s pull off a roundhouse kick, but it has not been of great quality. I'm not saying that older/bigger people cannot do it, but that a newbie to martial arts who is past the age of 30 would most rather do a stamp kick than a roundhouse. In a street confrontation, you don't have a nice ring and lots of space. Things like roundhouse kicks are more difficult to pull off. I've been drunk before and still pulled off a stamp kick.

Doesn't mean that roundhouse kicks are rubbish only that they have their time and place

Red Rum

And you think that someone like Kevin Chan couldn't do that. And before you kick off again, I mention Kevin Chan, because it was him in that one knee position, and him who was referred to originally.

In that position I put a bit of leverage on the arm and the person who 'moved with a sudden force' hurt themselves

As I said before, it is worth going down to a BJJ dojo and asking the guys there this very question. If I can pull it off, I am sure the guys who do this day in day out will show you the leverage you can get in that position. That's not a challenge, but a genuine reccomendation, as my word doesn't seem good enough for you guys

Ghost

Thats the biggest load of rubbish ive read on this site.

your posts are bizarre in the extreme.

Ive been in martial arts long enough to recognise cult-like brainwashing when i see it.

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Mike Brewer

Damn. That's saying something.

Red Rum

Your mother was a snow blower

Ghost

Its true though, to suggest its hard to rely on your eyes in a fight is as idiotic as it gets.
Clubs like these should be shut down and named and shamed for the mcdojos that they are.

The problem is the students that go cant see it. They think their place is special and that everyone else either doesnt understand or isnt being taught properly.
Most never find out that they are at a mcdojo because they beleive so strongly in what they are doing that they cant question it any more. Which is the sure fire signal that its a mcdojo.
To say that its hard to rely on your eyes in a real fight is the single most ridiculous statement ive read on this site bar none.
His posts in general smack of mcdojo cult like brainwashing which is clearly obvious to everyone else i expect but not to him because he is the one stuck in it.

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Red Rum

Ghost, you are a complete numpty.
You really think that whilst you are in a guillotine or a choke you can see your opponent?
You think that whilst you are in a Muay Thai clinch or boxers clinch you can see what your opponent is doing?

Do you think that if you spar with a fast boxer you will see any of his punches coming?

Any EXPERIENCED fighter (and from your comments, it is obvious that you are not), will tell you that it is rare that they have a chance to see attacks coming and deal with them. Half the time people throw blocks out and then mould their body around it

Anyway, people like you make me sick

Ghost

What you know about boxing/thai boxing and clinch work will probably fit on a post it note.
If you think boxers dont use their eyes then where the hell does the conditioned reflex stimulus come from in order to block.
That just destroyed your argument in one sentence.
Job done.

THere is a saying in boxing, if you cant see it, you cant block it. IF you had ANY boxing training you would know the emphasis on sight. Though feeling your opponents movement has some relevance you stated that fighters dont rely on sight. Which is complete crap.

Then there was alot of Kevin Chan, Kevin Chan, Kevin Chan. Is he your leader?

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Michael Wright

Red Rum, you're just making an idiot of yourself.

Most of the regular guys on here know who Ghost is, you're trying to tell an experienced Muay Thai Fighter and Boxer about his own game, and you are talking a load of nonsese. The guys lives in Thailand and fights out there, you couldn't have picked a worse person to try and argue this point with. Give it up, because its just getting embarassing.

This all compounds my theory that most of what you claim about yourself on here is bullshit, and despite offering you several oppourtunities to prove me wrong, you've come forward with nothing.

And "people like you make me sick"? Get a grip mate, its just an internet forum.

Mike Brewer

Zealots. It's always the same story, isn't it?

Red Rum, I don't know where you're coming from or what you train, but my statements about you giving the Kamon school a bad rap stands because of comments like your last one to Ghost.

What exactly makes it "obvious" to you that he is not a skilled practitioner? I'm curious as to your perspective on that because it seems to be the exact opposite impression he's given most of us.

npk9

I would like to apologize to the community and the world as a whole on behalf of all the skilled and competent CMA practioners out there. This shit needs to be revamped.

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Ghost

Its really ok, i dont think anyone person can represent the whole community anyway, i think most of us take people as they come and dont see it as a reflection on CMA.

Thanks to mike and mike for their comments.

Red Rum if you would like a technical debate on the muay thai clinch go for it, you will lose.

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npk9

I see this being a trend with CMA specifically more so with WC. Now I know that it happens with any style but maybe its just the fact that I've been in CMA that I'm exposed to it more? I don't know. I just know its not helping the anyone let alone CMA.

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Red Rum

Very easily. Just because a few Americans like Mike etc 'know who you are'. Who gives a flying f**k? I have been training MT for a long time, admittedly boxing not so long. Yet I know boxers who have trained for two years being a whole lot more knowledgable than guys who have trained for twenty years.

But even in the limited time I have trained boxing, it is very apparent that boxing clinches make seeing what your opponent is doing difficult.

I am stunned that your so called vast experience in boxing makes you think that you can see everything your opponent is doing when you are in a clinch

I never said that boxers do not use their eyes - re-read my post you twat.
I have said repeatedly that reliance on your eyes all the way through a fight is foolish, especially when it comes to clinches

Of course boxers will use their eyes to start with, but watch any boxing clinch (even a newbie would understand this) and see which direction the boxers eyes are.

In grappling, I would ask you to do the same. If you are telling me that two fighters can see everything their opponent is doing, then you are not what you say you are.