Mike Brewer

Call it what it is, brother. No sense pulling punches at this point.

It's a bunch of horseshit is what it is.

TTEscrima

Like I said. Thats what happens when people without a clue try to impress others with their knowledge of something they don't even understand the basics of.

jubaji

The funniest part is that he sounds so much like YOU, TTexcrement!

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TTEscrima

YouTube - Combat Bagua Throw


Nicely demonstrated.

TTEscrima

bodhisattva

Sticks and stones, buddy.

The dali lama was talking about WHEN YOUR LIFE IS THREATENED - DO SOMETHING!

You are comparing that to common rudeness in conversation?

You are kidding, right?

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bodhisattva

Yes. It demonstrated something we do wrestling everyday without summoning our chi or anything.

It's called a two-on-one to a leg trip.

No need for hocus pocus. No need to practice walking circles.

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I will admit - its a useful technique.

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jubaji

Shhh! Don't reveal the secrets of the wrestling lore to those who have not memorized the great tome of the western sage!


(and bought the matching T-shirt)

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TTEscrima

Oh look another MMA fan putting down TMA's he doesn't understand.

TTEscrima

Tossing a few well deserved insults back is way less of big deal than throwing lead back. I'm not a Christian, I don't need to turn the other cheek. When I'm faced by a monkey throwing shit, I suppose I could consider the source and move on but if you do that then pretty soon all the little monkeys throwing shit ruin the zoo for everyone. It's far better to chase the little out of control monkey back into it's cage so everyone can enjoy the zoo not just the shit throwing monkeys. Monkeys are simple creatures with a monkey see monkey do mentality, left alone one shit throwing monkey will attract other little shit throwing monkeys and pretty soon the shit throwing monkeys are effecting the attendance levels of the zoo and thats bad for the zoo's bottom line.

jubaji

There you go. Make sure no one forgets for a moment what a pretentious, poseur, punk you are.

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Tom Yum

My knowledge of TCMA is very limited - only from studying a few styles that have been influenced by them, so I am interested in their training methods and techniques.

Getting back to the subject of combat Taiji, Bagua and Xingyi - how do you practice techniques so that they will work against unpredictable, resisting opponents?

As I understand it, the infigting techniques themselves are already done 'efficiently' - setting up your feet as to have the most leverage when throwing or pushing your opponent off balance, striking vital areas or striking to get a reaction that will open up other targets etc.

I'm sure these can be done with live speed drills - making them more realistic, but what about against a fighting opponent?

Since I never came close to master level, I would assume alot of this is done in transition between lower ranked black sash students and middle ranked ones - in "closed door" sessions?

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TTEscrima

The same way as you would in any other martial art, by working against resisting opponents from varying styles.




You say, "try whatever you want, attack me" then you make them stop attacking you and start defending themselves.

Every movement contains a strike, and lock and a throw. Tim Cartmell will tell you Tai Chi is 90% wrestling, I'd say it's more like two thirds wrestling one third boxing. When someones thrown and politely stomped a half dozen times or snagged in a inescapable/unsurvivable situation we start over.

95% of Boars teaching consist of him demonstrating and then everyone trying both sides against everyone else present with various speeds and intensities. Surprise, stashed weapons and multiple opponents are always part of the training as well. Every skill has drills and exercises to help make best use of the tool.

People act like its from another planet instead of another culture. Internal Martial arts are the evolution of External Martial arts knowledge and techniques. It's a way to practice the same strikes and throws from the external arts in a manner consistent with how you want to move when you execute the technique in a fight after factoring in adrenalin dumps etc. All the verifiable lineage founders have external martial arts backgrounds before they became known for their internal skills. Today people with barely a grasp of a single component of the CMA's teach, it's a sad state of affairs but most people who teach the CMA's are teaching Cinema Martial Arts based on what looks cool instead of what's practical. If you've never seen a proper kick you cant defend it, if you've never experienced a proper wrestling shot you can't possibly begin to understand how to defend it, if you've never faced a boxer you're in for a waking up on the floor experience if you try flowery CMA blocks.

Blue Wave Gym

This is an interesting topic for me since I have taken tai chi in college for the second time this being a non beginners class.The class has beginner and non-beginer students in it. The practial combat applications are as valid as any striking tma. There are some ok videos on you tube of yang or sun style practial combat applications of tai chi movments but I haven't seen any dvds on the market. How can you trian one way in tai chi slow forms but defend yourself another way the same moves from the form but done at a fast speed. Isn't this the an example not taring in an alive manner.If tma forms are worthless for slefdefns when done at a fast speed with power(karate.,tkd,kung fu ect.) the how can forms done at a slow speed be effective when you need to apply them at a fast speed.

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kingoftheforest

When you train the movements slow you train every small movement interspersed in the larger movement.

The slowness gives your body time to understand all the small muscle and nerves used in that one movement.

Not only does this make it smoother but it also gives your brain time to recognize all the small variations with in that space and direction your body or whatever part is moving.

When you first learn to walk you have to start out slow or you'll bust your ass. The more you walk the smoother and more agile you become at it.

Forms in TCMA's or internal arts aren't "if he does this do this, then do this."

The forms are a basic outline of protecting your own space. "This movement covers this area, if an opponent attempts top travel through this area at some point you will intersect him."

After your opponent intersects you, depending on how hard how fast, at what angel and with what body part doesn't change what movement you do next, it only changes the outcome of what happens to the opponent and weather or not he has a chance to avoid or block the attack.

Whatever the next move is doesn't have to be the next move in the "form" but if you train the forms slowly your body will learn what is efficient for whatever position or situation you're in. It does this through muscle memory. If you do a task enough times your body learns to do it more efficiently and the best way to teach your body in the begging is to move slowly and let it learn.

The Classics say "Slow is fast and fast is slow"

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