Myths about Pressure Points

**kingoftheforest** · 06-24-2008, 04:56 PM

Recently someone in a group I spend time with asked about pressure point striking and no touch knockout. While I have never seen a no touch knockout, and personally don't believe you can drop someone without contact outside of T.V. land.
There are some regularly targeted points on the body that also happen to correspond to pressure points taught in TCMA's.

Let me first put forth that as above stated these are regularly hit points and if you hit someone hard enough in these places there is a clear medical reason they cause knockouts, pain or organ damage. There is nothing mystical or magical about them and I am not claiming there is. In fact if a proper review of TCMA's is done you will notice the monks and fighters found these out by accident after the fact. Saying pressure points came first is putting the cart before the horse.

So I will use some common Karate "pressure points" or Kyusho to illustrate. Remember it is not only where you hit a person but how you hit a person. The direction and what part of the body you hit with has shown, in studies to cause greater or lesser damage. For instance an elbow to the temple usually causes more damage than a straight jab. Just as a kick to someone's head while they are in a kneeling position tends to do more damage than if you lean down and punch them. Plus it makes more sense.

Here are the points that correlate to the locations named above (Kyusho) and a short explanation medically not mystically on why they work.

Chin: Conceptor Vessel 24 or CV 24.

Medical cause of K.O.: This drops the opponent due to the shock the brain absorbs from the strike.

Temple: Gall Bladder GB1

Medical cause of K.O.: Once again shock to the brain from the impact. Also there is the obvious chance of damage to the eye as well.

Back of Head: Gall Bladder 20

Medical Cause: Once again shock to brain from strike. Which is pretty common with any strike to the head as I'm sure everyone is aware.

Side of Jaw: Stomach ST5

Medical Cause: Same as above, as well as the possible dislocation or damage to jaw, as well as damage to teeth.

Top of Nose: Governing Vessel 25 or GV 25

Medical Cause: Well it makes your eyes water because it's sensitive and hurts like hell due to the soft tissue. ( I know obvious one)

Inner Bicep: Heart 1 HT 1

This hurts because it is not only on top of a nerve but also the axillary artery. Striking here hard will pinch off the artery for a second causing a pause in blood flow. However short that is never a good thing.

Inner Elbow: Heart 3 HT3

This is right on you Ulnar nerve which controls your 4th and 5th finger as well as some movement in the hand. Or as we better know it your funny bone.

Inner wrist: Heart 7 HT 7

This is were your tendons and muscles meet you hand. Several nerves here.

Under sternum: Conceptor Vessel 15 CV 15

The xiphoid process, or breast bone is located directly under this point, when this is depressed or broken off it drives into the heart muscles.

Inner Thigh: Spleen 11 SP11

This falls right on the femoral artery. 'Nuff said

Outer thigh: Gall Bladder 31 GB 31

The Lateral cutaneous nerve sits right under this point and extends to the spinal column.

Floating Rib: Gall Bladder 25 GB 25

I believe this covers all if not most of the important points aimed for in Kyusho as well as in most arts. These are all western medical explanation for why they work no magick no mumbo jumbo just regular things you can verify with any doctor of medicine. I hope this clears up some of the stigma for people who believe everyone who studies pressure point thinks they are a super hero or some mystic. A lot of this just boils down to good ole common sense and application of 100's of years of fighting and studying the human body.

Although people are a bit larger, live longer, and have gotten somewhat taller, according to historians, we still have the basic 2 arms 2 legs a head and a torso. Mind you since these points are relatively close together (about 2 finger widths apart) Depending on the striking implement you may hit more than one point. These just cover the points closest to the target area.

KOTF

**Hardball** · 06-24-2008, 05:49 PM

I know from experience that getting hit in the temple area causes Lockjaw. Ouch!!

**kingoftheforest** · 06-24-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Hardball

I know from experience that getting hit in the temple area causes Lockjaw. Ouch!!

Ouch and half bro'.

How long does that last for?

**Hardball** · 06-24-2008, 05:58 PM

You're right, you can't eat very well with lockjaw. I think it last a couple of weeks at least.

**ggg214** · 06-24-2008, 09:42 PM

pressure points refers to XUE DAO(穴道), or sth. else?

**TTEscrima** · 06-24-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by ggg214

pressure points refers to XUE DAO(穴道), or sth. else?

For the most part yes it refers to acupuncture points however there are also non meridian based systems based on the 40 points from Taoist styles as well as nerve related styles like Tuite.

**kingoftheforest** · 06-25-2008, 02:17 PM

Yeah I was just trying to keep it to the commonly known western versions of pressure points. Most people aren't familiar enough with those basic ones to go into the more extended points.

I am also not that well versed in the Taoist ones because it's hard to find literature on them to study it enough. As is I have only been studying the basic well known acupressure points for about 6 years now.

**Hardball** · 06-25-2008, 02:19 PM

Isn't George Dillman the authority on pressure points? I can't imagine a pressure point conversation without Mr. Dillman's name being mentioned.

**TTEscrima** · 06-25-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hardball

Isn't George Dillman the authority on pressure points? I can't imagine a pressure point conversation without Mr. Dillman's name being mentioned.

George Dillman is a fraud and I can easily imagine PP discussions without him coming up except to point out he's a fraud.

**Hardball** · 06-25-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by TTEscrima

George Dillman is a fraud and I can easily imagine PP discussions without him coming up except to point out he's a fraud.

Yep, I've heard that before. But what about his books?

**TTEscrima** · 06-25-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hardball

Yep, I've heard that before. But what about his books?

Well they're his books, a fraud's words on a subject are a fraud's word on the subject whether he writes them or speaks them. Dillman literally stole a copy of the actual text on tuite from a Seiyu Oyata during a seminar on the subject. The text was merely hand drawn locations of points on the body without any explanations of their use or the weapons to strike or the angles to use nor did it explain what the effects of the strikes were, I know this because I have seen a copy of the text in Boars library. Dillman proceeded to try to find movements in the forms that hit these points and designed his entire system off this info and things he stole from other people and tried to fit into his system making the entire system worthless because it's based on incorrect and non traditional assumptions he made as opposed to anything he was taught.(Dillman's top students have left his organization over this and publicly stated this was why they left) Besides, the guy teaches no touch knock outs need I say more?

**kingoftheforest** · 06-25-2008, 05:12 PM

Well I was hoping Dillman wouldn't come up here but I guess you can't say conspiracy theory without somebody saying "DickHardman?"

I could care less about Dillman he has already been proven publicly on record by a female reporter as being a fraud since he couldn't even knock here down much less out.

This is just the information I have gleaned from what I have studied and personally experienced. I used several acupressure and acupuncture charts as well as numerous publications and experimentation to come to these conclusion. Along with some expert knowledge from some very fine instructors.

The main thing I have learned is that nothing I found is new. This is just a better understanding of the terrain I am attacking. It's kind of like a satellite map the military uses to attack enemy positions, only since I don't plan on fighting an entire army with an army, I just need to map the areas to attack on a person with the weapons on my person.

Mainly my hands, feet, arms, legs, head, and the parts in between, plus any weapons I may be handling. It's always good to have a general bulls eye to aim at.

**eXcessiveForce** · 06-25-2008, 08:50 PM

Pressure points fail at an alarming rate under stress. But sometimes you get one and they do work.

The best ones I know are used in the Pressure point control tactics course taught to police by protech.

Temple

Infraorbital (under the nose)

mandibular angle, (behind the ear)

Hypoglossal (under the jaw)

Bracchial plexus Origin, (side of the neck over carotid and vagus nerve)

Bracchial Plexus Tie in (at the point between the shoulder and the pec)

Juglar notch

Clavical Notch

Solar plexus

Radial Nerve (between bicep and tricep) or (slightly above the elbow on the out side)

Median Nerve, Between the bones of the arm in the lower wrist area

Floating rib

Groin

Tibal point (behind and above the knee)

Common Peroneal (outside the the thigh)

Femoral Point on the inside of the thigh above the knee

Superficial peroneal (at the point where the foot and leg meet on the front side of the ankle)

Suprascapular (basically a spot on the traps on the back)

There are a few more but those seem to work pretty well for pressure points.

But if you hit anything hard enough it becomes a pressure point.

**kingoftheforest** · 06-26-2008, 01:59 PM

Those are pressure points used for control methods. I have never had much faith in them in that sense. Some people respond to most of them but others may react even more violently when those are applied.

I prefer and unconscious person. They are easier to control. Some points are set up points when struck that will cause the body to react in a way opening up a chance for incapacitation. I have been more interested and done more study on this aspect as opposed to pain compliance.

There aren't anypoints you can just press that I have found that will make some one curl up and do whatever you want.

If you want someone to follow you where you need them I just grab their nutsack and pull them up on their toes. They usually follow along at that point, protesting and possibly squealing, but following none the less.