Thread: Kung Fu and MMA

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

I thought you stopped drinking coffee.

Stop drinking coffee?!

Perish the thought!

Originally Posted by TTEscrima

Well, since Catpaw has continually ignored any request to explain how he trains and what he practices, it's clear he has no more intention of discussing his training than Jubarki. Surely someone with the screename Tigerclaw has done some serious conditioning and training to hone his weapons.

Hone my weapons...(?) I suppose it would only be natural with a screen name like "Tant01" to reply... Got a grip?

LOL

I thought I had tough hands and then I started climbing rocks...

You know... my hands are "farm" hands. I literally rip popcorn off the cob bare handed.

I still can't punch (hard targets) full power with a closed fist but I wouldn't want me getting my hands on anything "vital" if I had to fight me...

Hands are made to use "tools"...

Stay sharp,

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Jubaji, what have you found in the TCMA arsenal that works. Specifically what techniques from which styles? Can any of these techniques/tactics work when combined with your base of wrestling?

That's just it, "this is technique X and that is technique Y" doesn't really come up when shit's going down. It's not like cartoons and bad movies where the 'hero' calls out each technique as he hurls it at his opponent. A lot of things, like when to push and when to pull, when to be strong and when to 'yield' and all that are somewhat universal and certainly things I was familiar with long before I got to TCMA. At a certain level, a punch is a punch is a kick is a kick is a throw, etc. Not meaning to be evasive, but that's how I see it. Or maybe I'm just not considering your question carefully enough right now. I'm just popping in and out of here while working on other things that require more concentration.

I will say that my wrestling experience enhanced and was positively influenced by every other thing I've trained.

A lot of arguments on this forum could be settled if we all just met up and had a defend.net throwdown every couple months .

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

MMA is not a "set of rules" it represents Mixed Matial arts which has become a martial art of its own.

That is incorrect, and you are an idiot.

Originally Posted by jubaji

Let's see, I started wrestling when I was 7, and have been doing that ever since. After college I decided to head over to China and see what was going on over there. Got a job in Xi'an and studied taijiquan with Chen Quanzhong and KF at a school in the Muslim quarter there for two years (when not working, of course). Also found the provincial wrestling team and worked out regularly with them while I was there. Met some nice folks during my time there, including some Japanese teachers. They were so nice in fact that when my contract was up I headed over to Japan and got a job there. A few jobs actually. Was there off and on for about three years I guess. Practiced kendo, nihon kempo, and aikido while I was there. Also found a local wrestling club and worked out with them. Also ran into assorted other folks studying this and that and worked out with them when we had time. One guy was a WC guy, a few others were ninjutsu guys (got to jump into a practice with Hatsumi sensei once) some were K-1 fighters, some were judoka, all sorts of folks. Back in the States I've kept on wrestling (of course) and done a little of this and that as time and work allow. I've worked out and sparred with TKD, taekkyon, boxing, MMA, BJJ, WC, ninjutsu, American kempo, san shou, etc. whatever I could try my hand at. But wrestling is always my main thing and I make it a point to wrestle 3-4 times a week (although I was recently laid up after surgery and just before that something much more important kept me too busy to hit the mat for a while).

So, that's about it. We usually spend a week or two in Kyoto each year if we can to visit family, and work takes me to Korea and China every now and again (but there's usually no time for 'training' on such trips).

See, now we are getting somewhere.

So basically aside from shaking hands and playing tag with people who actually can and do fight, you play high school wrestling. If anyone read through your paragraph, they would see that you've basically talked more about where you've visited and who you've met while there than any thing else. It became even more apparent after reading your young man's tale. Now, after reading your self written bio it's a concrete fact that outside of your matches on a college school mat you have no idea what self defense is. Anyone can call anything self defense, but it doesn't make it worth a damn.

I said it years ago and I'll say it now: You have the Matt Furey stench all over you. If you aren't that ugly lazy-eyed conehead himself, you probably have "single-white-femaled" him and patterned your entire life around his, starting out with marrying the ugliest chinese woman you could find in a mail order bride catalog because no non-blind women in America would even shake your hand.

What would you suggest for self defense? Irish knuckle boxing???? Catch wrestling? Or would you suggest ... wait for it ... Mongolian Wrestling? Hahaha ... I remember you telling Boarspear that you've never done mongolian wrestling but you had wrestled a mongolian. Is that it?

Your bio reads like something Furey would use to sell people riverdancing as an "ancient lost art" used for self defense. Furey always seems to meet these "masters" and two weeks later creates a cutting edge program based on those two weeks that is supposedly unbelievably incredible.

That sounds a lot like what you're making you experience with school wrestling to be. You met a kung fu practitioner here, a K-1 fighter there, and you mention those things as a way of making it seem that you have knowledge and real experience in those disciplines. You softly touch on the fact that you don't, aside from two years of chen "thunder style" taiji, but still waste everyone else's time with your nonsense and suppositions based off of who you've met rather than off of what you have practiced yourself.

Not that anyone needed it, but thanks for the confirmation.

I think its great that you have traveled and wrestled. I'm sure you have a lot to offer by way of stories and knowledge about sport collegiate wrestling. But one thing doesn't translate to another, and your history of cynical commentary on this site has been exposed as a thinly veiled attempt to mask your own limitations. No one has been as evasive as you have been and continue to be.

Originally Posted by jubabji

That's just it, "this is technique X and that is technique Y" doesn't really come up when shit's going down. It's not like cartoons and bad movies where the 'hero' calls out each technique as he hurls it at his opponent. A lot of things, like when to push and when to pull, when to be strong and when to 'yield' and all that are somewhat universal and certainly things I was familiar with long before I got to TCMA. At a certain level, a punch is a punch is a kick is a kick is a throw, etc. Not meaning to be evasive, but that's how I see it. Or maybe I'm just not considering your question carefully enough right now. I'm just popping in and out of here while working on other things that require more concentration.

I will say that my wrestling experience enhanced and was positively influenced by every other thing I've trained.

And there you have the musings of someone who tries to pass off buzzwords and popular MA proverbs(punch is a punch, kick is a kick) in place of a decent answer. Jubaji even acknowledges the fact that he's evasive by preemptively denying it, and then goes on to blame a lack of time(popping in and out) for the semantics and bubble gum wisdom he's passing off as advice. Who spends more time on this site than jubaji? Who has written as many replies( I wouldn't even call them posts) as he has? When has jubaji ever lacked the time to offer up his brand of what some might call a contribution?

Its amazing that when anyone who has years of study and practice in a particular background tries to put into words his thoughts and ideas, jubaji will magically show up. Yet when its time to talk turkey(facts and common sense found in a circle of people who do a thing) jubaji is "popping in and out". His answers require concentration that he at any given moment when asked cannot afford then and there.

And since when has anyone who has studied a discipline and its concepts for years have to concentrate in order to answer a question about it? That really deserves a .... There's a specialness about this place, I tell ya. Have any of you noticed that when jubaji tries to discuss anything that requires actual technical knowledge, his posts are always apologetic and remorseful for his lack of time and focus? That's no coincidence.

Good grief.

At least it makes sense that you berate nearly every other discipline besides wrestling now. You have to believe that with wrestling you can do anything or at least convince other that you believe that because your entire combat dogma is predicated on that silly idea. And that's why when anyone introduces weapons and multiple attackers into the debate, you simply write

Jubaji can't discuss those things because once you do your ideas and training have no answers for them except for to suplex them. To jubaji if there's a problem, just wrestle it. If there's a knife, wrestle that too. If there are multiple attackers, you HAVE to run because you can always outrun a street thug because they can't wrestle. If you can't run, throw down the gauntlet and wrestle them all one by one while each mugger waits their turn. Either that or jubaji will promise you that multiple attackers don't exist.

All this explains why jubaji has posted more than just about anyone here but 99.9% of his posts criticize but do not inform whatsoever. He's a critic with a bag of tomatoes sitting in the audience willing to boo and chant but his fear of getting on the stage in an effort to give back paralyzes him.

Hopefully we'll get to read Furey's ...ahem... I mean jubaji's answers when he does have the time to apply the necessary "concentration" and focus.

LOL! I was waiting for this! I guess it took pointing out his humiliation over on the boxing thread to motivate him enough.

The entertainment has begun, now let's look at pUke's little bitch-fest point by point. Of course, he won't respond to most points, but at least readers can see what a little hollow bitch he is.

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Originally Posted by pUke

So basically aside from shaking hands and playing tag with people who actually can and do fight, you play high school wrestling. If anyone read through your paragraph, they would see that you've basically talked more about where you've visited and who you've met while there than any thing else. It became even more apparent after reading your young man's tale. Now, after reading your self written bio it's a concrete fact that outside of your matches on a college school mat you have no idea what self defense is. Anyone can call anything self defense, but it doesn't make it worth a damn.

This is a good start. In this paragraph we see an attempt to discredit experience that you cannot claim yourself. Excrement also likes this technique. It screams about the insecurity you both have about your own experiences, which is nice. Also, it includes a classic pUke-ism of angrily disdaining any training that actually involves breaking a sweat or doing anything beyond playing 'make pretend.'

Originally Posted by Uke

I said it years ago and I'll say it now: You have the Matt Furey stench all over you. If you aren't that ugly lazy-eyed conehead himself, you probably have "single-white-femaled" him and patterned your entire life around his, starting out with marrying the ugliest chinese woman you could find in a mail order bride catalog because no non-blind women in America would even shake your hand..

This is a technique Boringspear was very fond of; the 'let's play Jr. profiler' technique. Guessing games are fun, but rarely accurate. Now, I don't know if you've had some personal experience with this Furey fella that makes you hate him so much, but insulting his wife seems a bit much. I suppose it should come as no surprise from someone of your low character, but it's still inappropriate. Particularly considering he is not here to speak for himself (hint, hint - wrong again, shitforbrains).