The Ultimate in Martial Arts

**kingoftheforest** · 06-29-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

Who is that great martial artists who once said "I guess knowing how to use a hammer real well is better than being a putz with all the expensive equipment."?

???

Your like a bad penny.

Try not being a constant douche.

jubaji · 06-29-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kingoftheforest

Try not being a constant douche.

You want to keep that distinction all to yourself? Ok.

csc · 06-30-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kingoftheforest

I fail to recognize where it was stated that CMA's are a complete style style and better than anything else?

Many people believe that a step can be a kick, and a punch can be a throw. By following that logic,

- WC chain punches can also be chain kicks.
- Boxer's hook punch can also be inside crescent kick.

It's just too abstract for my taste.

**kingoftheforest** · 06-30-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by csc

Many people believe that a step can be a kick, and a punch can be a throw. By following that logic,

- WC chain punches can also be chain kicks.
- Boxer's hook punch can also be inside crescent kick.

It's just too abstract for my taste.

That's a little far fetched. You're trying to give attributes from one weapon to another that don't work.

You can't use a grenade launcher as a sniper rifle.

Judo proves that you can seize and control other peoples legs with your legs. It proves you can use your legs to throw people.

TCMA's don't try to give the feet the hands attributes and vise versa, that seems to be a personal misconception of your own devise.

tenzen · 06-30-2009, 02:11 PM

a chain kick would also lack power and put you too off balance for my comfort. i think that would best be reserved for the tkd guys. or the mok gar practicioners as they are excellent kickers.

**kingoftheforest** · 06-30-2009, 06:42 PM

Tam's 64 kicking methods.

Ben Grimm · 07-01-2009, 01:18 AM

Chain Kicking (at least from what I picked up from a WT guy) is used when you are on the ground and you kick one after the other. (A bicycle kick)

**kingoftheforest** · 07-01-2009, 06:49 AM

It's all about timing, angles and foot work.

A karate guy is using straight line stepping and attacking.

A FMA guy uses triangular stepping and striking similar to splitting the circle (like Hsing Yi.)

KF guys use circular stepping and striking.

All the arts use the same strikes and attacks, only the footwork and the path they flow through change.

Changing the footwork and the travel space changes the timing.

2 arms, 2 legs, can only do so much.

clfsean · 07-01-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kingoftheforest

Tam's 64 kicking methods.

Sounds like that Green Dragon video stuff...

tenzen · 07-01-2009, 12:31 PM

i saw one of those green dragon videos at a friends house once. it lowered my iq significantly. very poor quality in my opinion.

Kintanon · 07-01-2009, 02:41 PM

You know, 99% of these theoretical technique questions about chain kicking and other tomfoolery would be answered if Wing Chun (and most other Kung Fu) practitioners actually did some real sparring at some point...

csc · 07-01-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kintanon

chain kicking

The chain kicks is a long fist skill and not a Wing Chun skill. You use your foot to constantly step on your opponent's knee 45 degree downward. If your opponent pulls that leading leg off the ground in order to avoid stepping, the moment that he puts that foot down, you step on that knee again.

In order for your opponent to be able to punch you, he has to put weight on his "leading" leg. If you keep interrupt him and don't give him a chance to shift weight into his front leg, he cannot punch you. You have just put your opponent into a defense mode, and force him to play your foot stepping game (assume you have better chain kicks skill than his) which is to your advantage. the chain kicks is like to use machine gun to shot at someone's feet and force him to dance up and down. It's an excellent fighting strategy. When your opponent pays attention on your foot, it give you chance to punch on his face.

Kintanon · 07-01-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by csc

The chain kicks is a long fist skill and not a Wing Chun skill. You use your foot to constantly step on your opponent's knee 45 degree downward. If your opponent pulls that leading leg off the ground in order to avoid being stepped, the moment that he puts that foot down, you step on that knee again.

In order for your opponent to be able to punch you, he has to put weight on his "leading" leg. If you keep interrupt him and don't give him a chance to shift weight into his front leg, he cannot punch you. You have just put your opponent into a defense mode which is to your advantage. the chain kicks is like to use machine gun to shot at someone's feet and force him to dance up and down. It's an excellent fighting strategy.

I'm sure you believe that to be the case, have you ever actually done this against someone actively trying to beat you down?

csc · 07-01-2009, 03:25 PM

Yes! I broke someone's leg once by stepping my foot on his knee joint. My LF brother Nelson Zou in NYC (he used to run 5 Tigers Club in NYC) can do chain kicks much better than me.

Kintanon · 07-01-2009, 03:30 PM

Unfortunately for you your word is meaningless. I would like some kind of evidence of this technique working in an alive setting. It might be a great technique, it might work fantastically, but I don't believe you've ever done it in a resisting setting, and I don't believe you've ever broke anyones leg with it.

06-30-2009, 06:42 PM	#36 (permalink)
kingoftheforest King (of the forest) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In the forest of course Posts: 2,279 Groans: 2 Groaned at 9 Times in 9 Posts	Tam's 64 kicking methods. __________________ Chuck Norris destroyed the periodic table. Because he only recognizes the element of surprise. You're the man , I'm the King.

07-01-2009, 01:18 AM	#37 (permalink)
Ben Grimm Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: China Posts: 622 Groans: 13 Groaned at 26 Times in 26 Posts	Chain Kicking (at least from what I picked up from a WT guy) is used when you are on the ground and you kick one after the other. (A bicycle kick) __________________ Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. Albert Einstein When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. Albert Einstein

07-01-2009, 06:49 AM	#38 (permalink)
kingoftheforest King (of the forest) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In the forest of course Posts: 2,279 Groans: 2 Groaned at 9 Times in 9 Posts	It's all about timing, angles and foot work. A karate guy is using straight line stepping and attacking. A FMA guy uses triangular stepping and striking similar to splitting the circle (like Hsing Yi.) KF guys use circular stepping and striking. All the arts use the same strikes and attacks, only the footwork and the path they flow through change. Changing the footwork and the travel space changes the timing. 2 arms, 2 legs, can only do so much. __________________ Chuck Norris destroyed the periodic table. Because he only recognizes the element of surprise. You're the man , I'm the King.

07-01-2009, 02:41 PM	#41 (permalink)
Kintanon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You know, 99% of these theoretical technique questions about chain kicking and other tomfoolery would be answered if Wing Chun (and most other Kung Fu) practitioners actually did some real sparring at some point...
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07-01-2009, 03:30 PM	#45 (permalink)
Kintanon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unfortunately for you your word is meaningless. I would like some kind of evidence of this technique working in an alive setting. It might be a great technique, it might work fantastically, but I don't believe you've ever done it in a resisting setting, and I don't believe you've ever broke anyones leg with it.
	0 out of 2 members found this post helpful.

06-30-2009, 02:11 PM	#35 (permalink)
tenzen Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 178 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	a chain kick would also lack power and put you too off balance for my comfort. i think that would best be reserved for the tkd guys. or the mok gar practicioners as they are excellent kickers.

07-01-2009, 12:31 PM	#40 (permalink)
tenzen Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 178 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	i saw one of those green dragon videos at a friends house once. it lowered my iq significantly. very poor quality in my opinion.

07-01-2009, 03:25 PM	#44 (permalink)
csc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 69 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes! I broke someone's leg once by stepping my foot on his knee joint. My LF brother Nelson Zou in NYC (he used to run 5 Tigers Club in NYC) can do chain kicks much better than me.

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