The Ultimate in Martial Arts

TheArmenian · 06-21-2009, 07:15 PM

Mostly for my curiosity and to which I might aspire to learn, which Kung Fu's are the oldest/traditional. I have always preferred the real traditional ways, for example if I were to take a kick boxing sort of martial art, I would easily take Muay Thai over MMA. Either way I just want a view from experienced martial artists to see what Kung Fu's are the most traditional or the most effective.

Thanks, Zach T.

pmosiun · 06-21-2009, 07:26 PM

If you read some of the other thread in the CMA forum, you might not get the answer you are looking for. However, if you still wanted to do some form of CMA, San Shou might be the answer.

csc · 06-22-2009, 12:41 AM

If you are interesting in

- "speed", you may look into prey mantis or Zimenquan.
- "power", you may look into Baiji, XingYi Liu He, or Chen Taiji.
- "locking" skill, you may look into eagle claw.
- "throwing" skill, you may look into Shuai Chiao.

ggg214 · 06-22-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csc

If you are interesting in

- "speed", you may look into prey mantis or Zimenquan.
- "power", you may look into Baiji, XingYi Liu He, or Chen Taiji.
- "locking" skill, you may look into eagle claw.
- "throwing" skill, you may look into Shuai Chiao.

first of all, you should find a good teacher.

clfsean · 06-23-2009, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggg214

first of all, you should find a good teacher.

Truth... plain and simple

csc · 06-24-2009, 06:49 PM

It's better to find a teacher that will meet your need than to find a teacher that is available to you.

tenzen · 06-26-2009, 02:51 PM

alot of the kung fu styles are effective and classical, imo wing chun is most effective for realworld, blend that with eagle claw and you have a great foundation to build on. what is taught around you. that should be your first thing to look into.

clfsean · 06-26-2009, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenzen

alot of the kung fu styles are effective and classical, imo wing chun is most effective for realworld, blend that with eagle claw and you have a great foundation to build on. what is taught around you. that should be your first thing to look into.

Your proof?

tenzen · 06-26-2009, 04:31 PM

my proof of what? classical styles being effective? any martial art even tai chi can be used effectively. even simple everyday movements not related to fighting can be used for fighting.

tenzen · 06-26-2009, 04:33 PM

or were you refering to my opinion about wing chun being the most effective classical style? first that is my opinion and that needs no proof

clfsean · 06-26-2009, 04:50 PM

I was commenting on your statements. Opinions carry no weight when somebody is talking "most effective". Also, why would you say that WC combined with Ying Jow would be a good foundation??? Proper training in either would be sufficient for a life time of dedicated study. I study & teach TCMA. I'm all about tradition & "classical" style. Your opinion & the way you voiced it is what I question.

I've studied taiji quan on & off for 10 years or so. It is first & foremost a martial art. It's a tree hugging exercise to become one with the universe thingy last. You have to remember it was systemized by a fighting family & they taught it strictly as that. I've been there, seen it & touched it in Chen-jia guo.

tenzen · 06-26-2009, 06:00 PM

what i was getting at is that wing chun is a striking system with no locks, adding the chin na from eagle claw would be good to start on the path to becoming a rounded fighter. sorry i was un clear on this.

Tant01 · 06-28-2009, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenzen

what i was getting at is that wing chun is a striking system with no locks, ......

Is that so....?

Ben Grimm · 06-28-2009, 04:19 AM

Wing Chun has locks. I've studied the art for 6 years now and I've been struck, trapped and locked plenty of times and vice-versa.

Ben Grimm · 06-28-2009, 11:01 PM

Yeah, I just read it. You'd be surprised at some of the crap that people come up with. So Bruce is still on that forum I see. It seems that one can LARP until the cows come home and you still won't get kicked off that forum.

06-21-2009, 07:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
TheArmenian Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Traditional Kung FU Mostly for my curiosity and to which I might aspire to learn, which Kung Fu's are the oldest/traditional. I have always preferred the real traditional ways, for example if I were to take a kick boxing sort of martial art, I would easily take Muay Thai over MMA. Either way I just want a view from experienced martial artists to see what Kung Fu's are the most traditional or the most effective. Thanks, Zach T.

06-28-2009, 04:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ben Grimm Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: China Posts: 622 Groans: 13 Groaned at 26 Times in 26 Posts	Wing Chun has locks. I've studied the art for 6 years now and I've been struck, trapped and locked plenty of times and vice-versa. __________________ Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. Albert Einstein When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. Albert Einstein

06-28-2009, 11:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ben Grimm Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: China Posts: 622 Groans: 13 Groaned at 26 Times in 26 Posts	Yeah, I just read it. You'd be surprised at some of the crap that people come up with. So Bruce is still on that forum I see. It seems that one can LARP until the cows come home and you still won't get kicked off that forum. __________________ Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. Albert Einstein When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. Albert Einstein

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06-21-2009, 07:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
pmosiun Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 9 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you read some of the other thread in the CMA forum, you might not get the answer you are looking for. However, if you still wanted to do some form of CMA, San Shou might be the answer.

06-22-2009, 12:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
csc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 69 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you are interesting in - "speed", you may look into prey mantis or Zimenquan. - "power", you may look into Baiji, XingYi Liu He, or Chen Taiji. - "locking" skill, you may look into eagle claw. - "throwing" skill, you may look into Shuai Chiao.

06-24-2009, 06:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
csc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 69 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's better to find a teacher that will meet your need than to find a teacher that is available to you.

06-26-2009, 02:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
tenzen Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 178 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	alot of the kung fu styles are effective and classical, imo wing chun is most effective for realworld, blend that with eagle claw and you have a great foundation to build on. what is taught around you. that should be your first thing to look into.

06-26-2009, 04:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
tenzen Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 178 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	my proof of what? classical styles being effective? any martial art even tai chi can be used effectively. even simple everyday movements not related to fighting can be used for fighting.

06-26-2009, 04:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
tenzen Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 178 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	or were you refering to my opinion about wing chun being the most effective classical style? first that is my opinion and that needs no proof

06-26-2009, 04:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
clfsean Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 90 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was commenting on your statements. Opinions carry no weight when somebody is talking "most effective". Also, why would you say that WC combined with Ying Jow would be a good foundation??? Proper training in either would be sufficient for a life time of dedicated study. I study & teach TCMA. I'm all about tradition & "classical" style. Your opinion & the way you voiced it is what I question. I've studied taiji quan on & off for 10 years or so. It is first & foremost a martial art. It's a tree hugging exercise to become one with the universe thingy last. You have to remember it was systemized by a fighting family & they taught it strictly as that. I've been there, seen it & touched it in Chen-jia guo.

06-26-2009, 06:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
tenzen Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 178 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	what i was getting at is that wing chun is a striking system with no locks, adding the chin na from eagle claw would be good to start on the path to becoming a rounded fighter. sorry i was un clear on this.

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