Wing Chun Kung Fu - Page 5

tai-gip · 11-06-2003, 05:37 PM

Szczepankiewicz what ever gets you through the day

and i have answered the question over and over and over
and it could be any style do you think a mauy thai kick can break a knee ...a karate knife hand strike break ribs..... a tkd spin heel break a jaw.... a judo joint lock throw break or dislocate the shoulder wrist or elbow..... if you train it over and over of course it can

do you need to drive your car at 100 miles per hour to know you can
how do you know you can do anything why in beetween breathes when im not doing anything i often doubt if i could take the next one

ryanhall · 11-06-2003, 06:24 PM

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do you need to drive your car at 100 miles per hour to know you can

Your logic is false. You know that you can drive your car at 100 mph because you've seen it done. Also, just because you know that your car is capable of traveling at 100 mph doesn't mean that you can safely operate it at that speed--analogous to the problem of people who train at a slow speed or in fragments of what they think a confrontation will be like and expect to be able to do everything when they're going full tilt.

I haven't seen any Wing Chun practitioners 'break bones' with their 'triple strikes' I've never seen anyone lifted three feet into the air with a punch. I've never seen anyone move things with their mind. While I remain receptive to things that I have not experienced, I know that some things are not seen because they do not exist.

Everyone knows that a takedown from a good grappler is hard to counter because they have seen the results time and again. Everyone knows that a boxer's guard is superior to a traditional karateka's hands-at-the-hips stance because they have seen what happens when you don't protect your face.

And, uh, stop feeding everyone your crap about breaking bones with your strikes. I've been hit by Wing Chun people in the past, and they generally just don't hit that hard. Even if they did strike with a particularly large amount of power, what makes the way that they hit so different from the other methods that tend not to shatter bone and pulverize flesh with each strike? Nothing. Get off your high horse and step into the real world.

Tolerance of your nonsense is growing thin around here.

tai-gip · 11-06-2003, 06:43 PM

around here growing thin...and i care

look why do you train how much effort and time do you put
what the hell do you think certain moves where designed to do
do you actualy train in martial arts or are you studying tai-bo hello knock knock..... what do you think its all tap tap tap or something
i was put into ma when i was about 3 (im now 27) as posted i spent four years training in wc 12 hours per day

my suggestion to you is to ask some instructors about breaking strikes before you have decided you know what you are talking about as every style has them the fact that you arnt aware of this speaks very highly for your education and training and appears that you are deffinately recieving superior instruction from your instructor

should you actualy perform some investigation into what im talking about with martail arts "experts" or at least qualified instructors then get back to me because frankly the fact that you are ignorant OF WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE MUCH TO LEARN do you think these styles where designed for times of peace or times of war ..... ?

in war would you bother locking someone or just break there bones and move onto the next combatant ?
holy crap does anyone here actualy put in effort and time learning from a decent instructor????????????

Szczepankiewicz · 11-06-2003, 07:00 PM

OH shit here we go.

Tai-Gip,

I suggest you get a good grip and pull really hard, maybe you're head will pop out and maybe it won't.

I've read about Ryan's training at length and spoken to him on the subject.

Ryan (and myself, and many other forum members) train in realistic arts with a focus on self-preservation.

You seem to be stuck on the belief that you can 'breaka da bones' at will, against anyone.

This, both logically and realistically, is bogus. As we've tried to illustrate in our debate.

If you wish to pursue your diatribe, please take it to e-budo so you can discuss it with the other Internet Ninjas.

OR you can provide some demonstratable proof that you can, indeed, pull off your claims.

The choice is yours...

You're welcome is becoming worn.

Spanky

Szczepankiewicz · 11-06-2003, 07:01 PM

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in war would you bother locking someone or just break there bones

That's brilliant. I'm not gonna shoot 'em, OH NO. I'm gonna break their bones!!!!

And grind them up for me bread! Ahahahahahaah!

tai-gip · 11-06-2003, 07:12 PM

Szczepankiewicz

what came first war or gun powder ummm

seriously you guys should follow what i suggested above im asking you in the interest of an informed discussion to do so and im posting this point on another ma forum asking if bone breaking strike exist work and for examples so far 2 posative responses

do yourselves a favor and investigate have any of you heard of kopo
its a japanese art designed specificaly to break bones

many kempo styles teach a lot of bone breaking strikes

akido and judo teach joint locking and breaking throws

mauy thai ......

karate......

what world do you live in really frankly your welcome should have worn out ages ago i thought it was "misery loves company" not "ignorance loves company"

just ask some people first before you post any thing else that makes you look foolish hell grab your local telephone guide and call some schools of various styles around you and check with them

jubaji · 11-06-2003, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by tai-gip

the higher graded students at my school certainly could ..its what we all trained over and over and over and over again
and its not about what the individual is capable of but what the art is possible of

what a load o' crap

Szczepankiewicz · 11-06-2003, 07:18 PM

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in the interest of an informed discussion

Hell boy, that's what I been tryin' to do.

Let me rephrase my question and please answer with a yes or no...

Can you break the bones at will, consistently, against someone bent on causing you bodily harm?

Yes?

No?

tai-gip · 11-06-2003, 07:26 PM

if it came down to it yes without a doubt

though once again im against violence and would aviod the issue whenever possible

no matter what someone does there is always something you could break.. its like blocking.... just the offensive version thats why i think its so easy perhaps you arnt looking at it like that... if you can block something you can break something...every attack leaves openings ..yes? they teach simultanious block and strike so do you think it would be hard ...
have you seen wooden dummy techniques or how hard some people hit them ....

jubaji · 11-06-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by tai-gip
just ask some people first before you post any thing else that makes you look foolish hell grab your local telephone guide and call some schools of various styles around you and check with them

I'm filled with glee at the thought of the ass-whuppin' that is comin' your way on that fateful day that reality crosses your juvenile path...

tai-gip · 11-06-2003, 07:38 PM

did you call anyone or ask around and check or do you know it all Jubaji
must be great to be able to tell someone they are wrong without actualy researching what they are saying and know that you are right

heres two replies to the question on another site and the question

Bone Breaking Strikes
Are they real?
Do they work?
Does your style teach them and if so what kind ?
And how about some joint breaking locks and throws?

some examples please

Course they're real, theres plenty of them.

For example floating rib strikes, they break easy
Theres also easy breaks with the joints; wrists, elbows, etc.

All it requires is knowledge of where to strike and which way to apply the pressure.

the site has some well know instructors posted articles pictures of the individuals who post training and the like generaly people who crap on swear or be abusive are labled a troll and booted from the site ..talk about nijas vanishing and the like and your gone....

**Thai Bri** · 11-06-2003, 07:59 PM

Have you ever had a real fight?

IPON · 11-06-2003, 08:00 PM

Hmmm at the risk of getting shot in the cross fire I would say this. The original post was about information about wing chun. And I definately think it is a good art and worthwhile taking it. Again it may be halpful to know who the Sifu would be and the location to get a more accurate assessment of the Kwoon.

I think every practicioner should have a reality based mentaility and challenge what they learn. Regarding, bone breaking, dislocations, hyperextensions yes it can be done, especilly if they teach chin na. But just like judo JJ HKD we train for it and you feel the hyperextension with minimal effort. could it work in reality yes, but it depends on factors. My first thoughts would not be break bones in fingers, feet, arm rib, mandable (actually this would be a KO hopfully

). It would depend on how escalated the fight is. Usually the breaks are setup after a series of moves, its noty like the matrix, touch arm breaks. So I do agree WC has the ability in the system and in reality but I hate say it but it depends on the person.

The average person really does not have the eye of the tiger so showing these techniques in any style would be worthless if the practioner feels they are extreme.

on that note you guys may resume.

tai-gip · 11-06-2003, 08:18 PM

yes bri i have both full contact comp and being jumped on the street... as i posted elsewhere i kicked in someone chest without meaning to cause damage when i got jumped by three guys once
so i know factualy and in a reality based situation it can be done.. now i didnt kick as hard as i could or even focus to cause damage but it did i know full well i can strike with hand or foot a lot harder than that a general im trying to lead into a violence is wrong point by making the suggestion to people just how easy it is to hurt someone if you have had training...

Ipon im only firring blanks anyway so you have no danger of crossfire

but yes i agree most people wouldnt do it but its easy than you think and could be done by accident by using techniques you learn in class

**Thai Bri** · 11-06-2003, 08:23 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot. You got jumped by three guys, but didn't kick them as ahrd as you could for their sake.

What a load of bollocks. You really are firing blanks.

11-06-2003, 05:37 PM	#61 (permalink)
tai-gip Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 104	Szczepankiewicz what ever gets you through the day and i have answered the question over and over and over and it could be any style do you think a mauy thai kick can break a knee ...a karate knife hand strike break ribs..... a tkd spin heel break a jaw.... a judo joint lock throw break or dislocate the shoulder wrist or elbow..... if you train it over and over of course it can do you need to drive your car at 100 miles per hour to know you can how do you know you can do anything why in beetween breathes when im not doing anything i often doubt if i could take the next one __________________ i am here today

11-06-2003, 06:43 PM	#63 (permalink)
tai-gip Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 104	around here growing thin...and i care look why do you train how much effort and time do you put what the hell do you think certain moves where designed to do do you actualy train in martial arts or are you studying tai-bo hello knock knock..... what do you think its all tap tap tap or something i was put into ma when i was about 3 (im now 27) as posted i spent four years training in wc 12 hours per day my suggestion to you is to ask some instructors about breaking strikes before you have decided you know what you are talking about as every style has them the fact that you arnt aware of this speaks very highly for your education and training and appears that you are deffinately recieving superior instruction from your instructor should you actualy perform some investigation into what im talking about with martail arts "experts" or at least qualified instructors then get back to me because frankly the fact that you are ignorant OF WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE MUCH TO LEARN do you think these styles where designed for times of peace or times of war ..... ? in war would you bother locking someone or just break there bones and move onto the next combatant ? holy crap does anyone here actualy put in effort and time learning from a decent instructor???????????? __________________ i am here today

11-06-2003, 07:12 PM	#66 (permalink)
tai-gip Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 104	Szczepankiewicz what came first war or gun powder ummm seriously you guys should follow what i suggested above im asking you in the interest of an informed discussion to do so and im posting this point on another ma forum asking if bone breaking strike exist work and for examples so far 2 posative responses do yourselves a favor and investigate have any of you heard of kopo its a japanese art designed specificaly to break bones many kempo styles teach a lot of bone breaking strikes akido and judo teach joint locking and breaking throws mauy thai ...... karate...... what world do you live in really frankly your welcome should have worn out ages ago i thought it was "misery loves company" not "ignorance loves company" just ask some people first before you post any thing else that makes you look foolish hell grab your local telephone guide and call some schools of various styles around you and check with them __________________ i am here today

11-06-2003, 07:26 PM	#69 (permalink)
tai-gip Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 104	if it came down to it yes without a doubt though once again im against violence and would aviod the issue whenever possible no matter what someone does there is always something you could break.. its like blocking.... just the offensive version thats why i think its so easy perhaps you arnt looking at it like that... if you can block something you can break something...every attack leaves openings ..yes? they teach simultanious block and strike so do you think it would be hard ... have you seen wooden dummy techniques or how hard some people hit them .... __________________ i am here today

11-06-2003, 07:38 PM	#71 (permalink)
tai-gip Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 104	did you call anyone or ask around and check or do you know it all Jubaji must be great to be able to tell someone they are wrong without actualy researching what they are saying and know that you are right heres two replies to the question on another site and the question Bone Breaking Strikes Are they real? Do they work? Does your style teach them and if so what kind ? And how about some joint breaking locks and throws? some examples please Course they're real, theres plenty of them. For example floating rib strikes, they break easy Theres also easy breaks with the joints; wrists, elbows, etc. All it requires is knowledge of where to strike and which way to apply the pressure. the site has some well know instructors posted articles pictures of the individuals who post training and the like generaly people who crap on swear or be abusive are labled a troll and booted from the site ..talk about nijas vanishing and the like and your gone.... __________________ i am here today

11-06-2003, 07:00 PM	#64 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	OH shit here we go. Tai-Gip, I suggest you get a good grip and pull really hard, maybe you're head will pop out and maybe it won't. I've read about Ryan's training at length and spoken to him on the subject. Ryan (and myself, and many other forum members) train in realistic arts with a focus on self-preservation. You seem to be stuck on the belief that you can 'breaka da bones' at will, against anyone. This, both logically and realistically, is bogus. As we've tried to illustrate in our debate. If you wish to pursue your diatribe, please take it to e-budo so you can discuss it with the other Internet Ninjas. OR you can provide some demonstratable proof that you can, indeed, pull off your claims. The choice is yours... You're welcome is becoming worn. Spanky

11-06-2003, 07:59 PM	#72 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,415	Have you ever had a real fight?

11-06-2003, 08:00 PM	#73 (permalink)
IPON Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,552	Hmmm at the risk of getting shot in the cross fire I would say this. The original post was about information about wing chun. And I definately think it is a good art and worthwhile taking it. Again it may be halpful to know who the Sifu would be and the location to get a more accurate assessment of the Kwoon. I think every practicioner should have a reality based mentaility and challenge what they learn. Regarding, bone breaking, dislocations, hyperextensions yes it can be done, especilly if they teach chin na. But just like judo JJ HKD we train for it and you feel the hyperextension with minimal effort. could it work in reality yes, but it depends on factors. My first thoughts would not be break bones in fingers, feet, arm rib, mandable (actually this would be a KO hopfully ). It would depend on how escalated the fight is. Usually the breaks are setup after a series of moves, its noty like the matrix, touch arm breaks. So I do agree WC has the ability in the system and in reality but I hate say it but it depends on the person. The average person really does not have the eye of the tiger so showing these techniques in any style would be worthless if the practioner feels they are extreme. on that note you guys may resume. __________________ A person who is said to be proficient in the arts is like a fool. Because of his foolishness in concerning himself with just one thing, he thinks of nothing else and thus becomes proficient. - Hagarkure

11-06-2003, 08:18 PM	#74 (permalink)
tai-gip Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 104	yes bri i have both full contact comp and being jumped on the street... as i posted elsewhere i kicked in someone chest without meaning to cause damage when i got jumped by three guys once so i know factualy and in a reality based situation it can be done.. now i didnt kick as hard as i could or even focus to cause damage but it did i know full well i can strike with hand or foot a lot harder than that a general im trying to lead into a violence is wrong point by making the suggestion to people just how easy it is to hurt someone if you have had training... Ipon im only firring blanks anyway so you have no danger of crossfire but yes i agree most people wouldnt do it but its easy than you think and could be done by accident by using techniques you learn in class __________________ i am here today

11-06-2003, 08:23 PM	#75 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,415	Oh yeah, I forgot. You got jumped by three guys, but didn't kick them as ahrd as you could for their sake. What a load of bollocks. You really are firing blanks.

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