Thread: Is knife defense a waste of time?

To defend against a knive you have to know how to fight with it... ie you should spare with knives reallisticelly during your training.
Too many fma-silat peoples relly on drills for their training which is a wate of time.....

"a point to remeber is that well trained knife people"usually" won't even let you see the blade, so if the flash you the knife their skill"might" not be great."

I don't agree with this statement. I'm going to let you see the knife, after that I may flick your knuckles, slash an arm, whatever, something to make you see your own blood. If the person still wants to dance, then it's on, I may or may not switch to an inverted grip, depending on the situation. Holding a knife in a regular grip is more effective anyway.

I don't agree with this statement. I'm going to let you see the knife, after that I may flick your knuckles, slash an arm, whatever, something to make you see your own blood. If the person still wants to dance, then it's on, I may or may not switch to an inverted grip, depending on the situation. Holding a knife in a regular grip is more effective anyway.

What you can't see you can't defend against....
What if your opponent pulls knives/ a gun after he sees you holding a knive?

Like I said, depends on the situation. I tend to keep in mind the "lethal force issue", if it gets the point where guns and knives are being pulled out I shouldn't have been there anyway. My initial intentions aren't to secretly pull out a knife and shove it through your chest (unless it's a home invasion or something like that, and if that was the case, I'd pull out my .45 ) my goal is to end the confrontation, hopefully without going to prison.

like i said "usually" and "might" some will always do it differently.

knife defences are difficult to preform on the street

if the attacker has one knife on him/her they should have a back up ie another knife or friend with a knife or stab or cut before they mug you or put it in your mouth from behind also you have to think of correct defence for the type of attack instantly
if you see it coming run they can change there mind chemicaly in 10 secs
if you are followed by them turn and fight before you are breathless pick up a weapon a brick, garbage lid broken bottle they wont like that act crazy animal like throw your wallat behind them when they pick it up run again money can be replaced
put something between like a telephone box lamp post car if its a nice car kick it
its a shame but you have more help from an alarm than screaming
the more difficult a target you are the better
if you are still in the shit resign yourself to the fact you are going to get cut or killed so make sure he is on the bed beside you in hospital
protect your vital organs and throat ie hold your neck with your
left hand protecting your heart with your elbow and fight with your right any thing goes the eyes are a good target attack them with your most effective weapon fingers mobile phone walking stick a plactic bag with a tin of beans in it
then learn a martial art for health fitness and the art

a good run is better than a bad stand
and that jail comment
rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6

Hello Everyone,
Each art contains some attempt to understand and teach the dynamics necessary to survive an edged weapon confrontation, be it empty handed or armed.
However, what it boils down to is this, how realistically do you train in those given concepts and techniques? Does the system in which you study take you from the beginning (knowning little or nothing ) to the most advanced blade confrontations (like both people having multiple blades)?
A blade system should contain a very real point of view regarding offensive and defensive movements.
It should contain deployment methods and carry methods.
It should involve situational awareness, senarios and role playing.
It should deal with the physical, mental and emotional responses when faced with, defending against and employing a blade.
It should involve medical management of yourself and others who are injured.
It should involve the legalities of weapons, weapons laws, use of force and the legalities of self defense with weapons.
and finally it should be taught in a progressive manner in which people can learn and develop, staying long enough to recieve the benefits of training while making constant and progressive advancement in skill and understanding.
NOW....if you don't intend on learning all that, you just want the nuts and bolts of defending the knife or want a few tricks to help you survive, your either simply not serious about your training or self defense or you don't understand the severity of a blade confrontation.

I find it amazing that most people will go out and play softball or flag football on the weekends harder than most martial artists will train to save their lives or the lives of their loved ones. Martial artists want the easy answers to the hardest questions and the blade question is hardest of them all.

So to to put it plainly, you either become very knowledgeable in this area and understand it completely and handle it skillfully or when the time comes you will have no answer at all!

Gumagalang,
Harley Elmore
Central United States Representative
Sayoc Kali International Group

Hello Harley,

Great Post!!

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L.

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