Ranges

Chad W. Getz · 09-28-2000, 09:37 PM

Just to get the FMA forum rolling here's a few threads:

What is the preferred training range of the FMA practicioners here on the forum. Not how many ranges are there, but which range do most people here train in and why?

Do alot of you train in transitioning between ranges? Which of the ranges are the most important to train in? Which don't you want to be in?

AWSolis · 09-29-2000, 08:35 AM

Woof!

My preference is to train long range or what Marc calls
Snakey Stick Range. I work on being able to mask my initial movement so that I can hit without being hit. The traditional system I was taught (Sopons Style from GM Alfonso Seneres) also focuses on this range. GM Seneres said I had to move my stick around in order to hide my intentions.

The transitions I work tend to bring me from this range to closing range as quick as possible...usually a charging roof block where I can close and take my opponent down or so that I can continue hitting him. I don't like being in medio range, I also don't train this range too often as it is really difficult to pull off.

As a defense to this type of close, I work on my left handed stiff arm using a tire that I swing. I use the stiff arm in conjuction with a side step. This works pretty well, but Eric has always found a way to take me down.

Hope this made sense,

Woof
Alvis W. Solis
Hound Dog!

quietanswer · 10-12-2000, 02:49 PM

when my training partner and i fight, i find i tend to stay at largo mano, and crash through to corto for a disarm/takedown. we've exchanged blows in medio, and do so frequently, but it really seems like a transitional stage..and our weapons are lightly padded as well..so we don't pay the MASSIVE dividends you fellas do for a mistake.. we're new to the stick sparring aspect.. so we're still making some basic discoveries.. such as the usefulness of figure 8's, and how they can actually be applied for offense/defense other than to "look cool".

at medio range, i tend to throw lots of figure 8's just to keep up with his onslaught, whether to attack the body or the weapon.

boxing goes the same way for us. i either thow jab/crosses or try for a takedown.. as of yet, my infighting is kind of sloppy.

i'm looking forward to the arrival of my dog brothers series, so i can learn more about snakey stick..and how you fellas apply it.

look for me to be hooting and hollering about how much i love the tapes, or how much i hate them. either way, i'm anxious. can't imagine it being the latter...

Chad W. Getz · 10-15-2000, 09:01 PM

How often d oyou guys fight. Being that you like to crash through, what does your partner like to do? Is he getting good at countering you close?

sikal · 10-15-2000, 09:57 PM

The system I train in is "Sikal" and is a hybrid of elements from Kali and Silat systems. The Kali portion provides good tools for closing from largo to medio and from medio to corto. We'll finish at largo if possible ... but we find this to be pretty rare. Usually the fight goes to medio before it's finished. If we can finish it at medio, good. If it ends up in corto, then that's where our Sikal blend really comes out. The Silat we do loves the extreme close-quarters fighting so if we close to corto, we usually end up using the Silat.

Our preferred range? Wherever we finish the fight. (Not trying to be flip ... it's just the way we try to see it).

Regards, Mike

quietanswer · 10-15-2000, 10:08 PM

the guy i'm fighting usually attacks my legs or moves straight in for a take down when i close. he can get the occasional disarm as well.

we fight twice a week, usually.

Kevin · 10-16-2000, 01:43 AM

Hi,

I probably don't have the sparring experience of alot of you guys (Alvis, Chad, etc...), but...

I tend to fight in Largo, medio, and corto.

At largo I target the hand/wrist, at medio I like to either let a shot fly by and counter... or block and counter, and at corto I like to close to the "plum" and pummel or go for the takedown.

Alvis... I always wondered about the use of the tire. How do you train it, and what are the benefits?

Thanks!!!
~Kev

09-28-2000, 09:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chad W. Getz Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 509 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just to get the FMA forum rolling here's a few threads: What is the preferred training range of the FMA practicioners here on the forum. Not how many ranges are there, but which range do most people here train in and why? Do alot of you train in transitioning between ranges? Which of the ranges are the most important to train in? Which don't you want to be in? __________________ Chad W. Getz Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. The weapon arts imply the they can stop the unarmed man. A complete martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere.

09-29-2000, 08:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
AWSolis Registered User Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Humble TX Posts: 275 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Woof! My preference is to train long range or what Marc calls Snakey Stick Range. I work on being able to mask my initial movement so that I can hit without being hit. The traditional system I was taught (Sopons Style from GM Alfonso Seneres) also focuses on this range. GM Seneres said I had to move my stick around in order to hide my intentions. The transitions I work tend to bring me from this range to closing range as quick as possible...usually a charging roof block where I can close and take my opponent down or so that I can continue hitting him. I don't like being in medio range, I also don't train this range too often as it is really difficult to pull off. As a defense to this type of close, I work on my left handed stiff arm using a tire that I swing. I use the stiff arm in conjuction with a side step. This works pretty well, but Eric has always found a way to take me down. Hope this made sense, Woof Alvis W. Solis Hound Dog! __________________ Woof! Alvis W. Solis Solis Martial Arts Academy Machado Jiu-Jitsu Network Representative

10-12-2000, 02:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
quietanswer Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri, USA Posts: 377 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hm. when my training partner and i fight, i find i tend to stay at largo mano, and crash through to corto for a disarm/takedown. we've exchanged blows in medio, and do so frequently, but it really seems like a transitional stage..and our weapons are lightly padded as well..so we don't pay the MASSIVE dividends you fellas do for a mistake.. we're new to the stick sparring aspect.. so we're still making some basic discoveries.. such as the usefulness of figure 8's, and how they can actually be applied for offense/defense other than to "look cool". at medio range, i tend to throw lots of figure 8's just to keep up with his onslaught, whether to attack the body or the weapon. boxing goes the same way for us. i either thow jab/crosses or try for a takedown.. as of yet, my infighting is kind of sloppy. i'm looking forward to the arrival of my dog brothers series, so i can learn more about snakey stick..and how you fellas apply it. look for me to be hooting and hollering about how much i love the tapes, or how much i hate them. either way, i'm anxious. can't imagine it being the latter... __________________ ------------------------------------------------ *St Louis MMA Club for Boxing / Clinch / Grappling Training* *www.stlouistrainingcircle.com*

10-15-2000, 09:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chad W. Getz Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 509 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	How often d oyou guys fight. Being that you like to crash through, what does your partner like to do? Is he getting good at countering you close? __________________ Chad W. Getz Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. The weapon arts imply the they can stop the unarmed man. A complete martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere.

10-15-2000, 09:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
sikal Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 480 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Range ... The system I train in is "Sikal" and is a hybrid of elements from Kali and Silat systems. The Kali portion provides good tools for closing from largo to medio and from medio to corto. We'll finish at largo if possible ... but we find this to be pretty rare. Usually the fight goes to medio before it's finished. If we can finish it at medio, good. If it ends up in corto, then that's where our Sikal blend really comes out. The Silat we do loves the extreme close-quarters fighting so if we close to corto, we usually end up using the Silat. Our preferred range? Wherever we finish the fight. (Not trying to be flip ... it's just the way we try to see it). Regards, Mike __________________ Louisville Martial Arts Academy - Louisville, KY Asian Fighting Arts - Dayton, OH Lansdale's Self-Defense - Nacogdoches, TX

10-15-2000, 10:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
quietanswer Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri, USA Posts: 377 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hm.. the guy i'm fighting usually attacks my legs or moves straight in for a take down when i close. he can get the occasional disarm as well. we fight twice a week, usually. __________________ ------------------------------------------------ *St Louis MMA Club for Boxing / Clinch / Grappling Training* *www.stlouistrainingcircle.com*

10-16-2000, 01:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Kevin Novice Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 151 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	ranges Hi, I probably don't have the sparring experience of alot of you guys (Alvis, Chad, etc...), but... I tend to fight in Largo, medio, and corto. At largo I target the hand/wrist, at medio I like to either let a shot fly by and counter... or block and counter, and at corto I like to close to the "plum" and pummel or go for the takedown. Alvis... I always wondered about the use of the tire. How do you train it, and what are the benefits? Thanks!!! ~Kev

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