Serrada

Can anyone tell me more about this art? Is it the same as Dumug? I have trained with many FMA practicioners with limited grappling and they say the do Dumug. Now, I have compiled many locks and reversals both on the ground and standing from many FMAist but have not seen a comprehensive system. Has anyone trained Garimot (Harimaw) Buno? Can you tell me more? I’m very interested. I’m going to get the book.

The web site is www.garimot.com

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haumana2000

Dumog is from a different region than the Buno though most people here use the term interchangeably. To my knowledge as a whole system, few instructors teach it (dumog) as an art unto itself except Pekiti Tersia & the Submission Dungeon brotherhood in Pasig PI, who also teaches the Boltong native wrestling as well. Roland Bingwaoel competes in MMA under this banner and has fared well. I received a copy of the book you speak of, and find it informative and well written. It appears to encompass both standing and ground grappling, and has some pretty cool locks that I was unfamiliar with. It also details the rules of the traditional competitions as well. One of the cool things about the traditional Dumog is the usage of the chin as an appendage. anyway, I hope this helps.

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shootodog

wow! thank you for mentioning the brotherhood's humble name in relation to dumog and boltong.

just to add a bit more.

- roland bingwaoel is from baguio city (mountain province) and won his match decisively.
- traditional dumog has no rules. it's main function is destroying your opponent (and i don't mean competatively).
- boltong is tribal grappling used by the cordillera tribes. on the beginners' stage, it looks quite harmless. just grab on to the bahag (loin cloth) and throw the other guy. in the upper levels of the palaro (competition), there are more elements that come into play. there is a ground game and it allows the use of elbows and knees. there are more things (not so pretty things) that are allowed too (but i'm in no position to divulge them).

gumagalang.

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Does the "Submission Dungeon brotherhood" in Pasig have any website and further information?

haumana2000

Hoy Shootodog, you guys keep up the good work back home!

As far as I know they have no website, though they are a fighting gym, and would probably not want to post alot of information out on the web anyway. Checkout pinoymma.com there is a wealth of information there.

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shootodog

**cue sound: "ako si mumbakki! tutumbahin kita" song**

the subission dungeon is a martial arts brotherhood and not a school. we train away from the public's view. it isn't exactly a style (though we learn many different and unique styles). we don't exactly train for competition (though we do join mma/ nhb and kali tournies). it is a lifestyle really, a real brotherhood.

we do have some classes open to the public (as taught by the mumbakki). one is pankration and the other is destructive edged weapon combat tactics.

thanks pare! i'll tell the mumbakki.

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sikal

I've attended one seminar on Harimaw Buno with Gat Puno Abon Baet. He's a good guy and an excellent martial artist. What he taught (from a technical standpoint) looked very similar to the Harimau I've seen from Mande Muda. According to Baet, Harimaw Buno is purely Filipino and I don't doubt him - but it was very similar to the Indonesian/Malaysian Harimau that I've seen.

Mike

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Crucible

Saw the book recently, looked intresting. Utilized alot of similar methods you hear GT Gaje's guys talk about; mudtraining, farming, ect. Anyone know if harimaw is an indigenous term to the Philipines? Maybe he's just utilizing creative liscence.

Crucible

Shootodog, do you know anything about other forms of indigenous Pilipino wrestling? Like silaga, dama, garong, buteng, purgos, kapulubod, gabbo, layung, lampugan, pantok, or balsakan? I'm definetly gonna have to look you guys up next time I'm in town. I definetly want more Pilipino grappling under my belt. Should I PM you next time I'm in the area?

sikal

I attended a seminar on Harimaw Buno with Gat Puno Abon Baet. The history he gave there was that Harimaw Buno is an indigenous art - if memory serves (and if I'm wrong, the fault is entirely my own memory) it's from a secluded tribe on Luzon - that predates the arrival of the Spaniards. I don't know if the name predates the Spanish. There have never been tigers indigenous to the Philippines so I don't know why they'd have ever had a word for it prior to hearing tales of it from, for instance, Sumatra. However, according to Baet, the system is indigenous.

It had a lot in common with the Harimau that I was exposed to in Mande Muda Silat from Pak Herman Suwanda. Which, of course, makes sense given that any two groundfighting systems that developed in similar environments will have many similarities. The material was very good.

Gat Puno was an incredibly nice guy with a lot of energy and very good at what he was teaching.

I don't think I answered your question because I don't know if the word is indigenous to the PI or not - but according to Baet the system certainly is.


Edit:
Oops. I'm really tired. I just realized that this is somewhat repetitious from my previous post that you were responding to. Oh well. Such is life

Mike

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It sounds like the system is, I just have to ask him personally about the name. His website's down do you have his email? You wouldn't know anything about his brand of hilot? What did you think of his weapon system?

sikal

He discussed hilot very, very briefly and did some work on Guro Nate Defensor (the host of the seminar I attended). What he mentioned was pressure point based and used the distance between thumb tip and pinky tip to measure from point to point on the body. But he didn't go into a lot of depth.

I saw even less of his weapons work. He was in Chicago competing in an ice sculpting contest. My friend and I (we had driven up from Dayton, OH to meet him and attend his seminar) hooked up with him while he was, I believe, on a break in the ice carving. We talked with him for a while then he went out and resumed carving. But he would come over and talk to us from time to time - usually when his assistants were busy connecting parts of the sculpture - and at one point, he discussed some of the philosophy behind his Garimot Eskrima system and as he talked, of course, he moved using the ice sculpting tools to demonstrate what he was talking about. All I can tell you though is that he moved well and what he said and demo'd made a lot of sense - but I can't claim to have really seen any Garimot Eskrima.

Mike

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Cool, thanks.