JamesG

Hi.
Just started to train Kali Sikaran, and i got a few questions..
1: How much kali is it and how much sikaran is it?..I mean is it mainly weapon training..?

2: Have seen the hand technics and many of them looks similar to the Wing Chun system, is the self system something like that?

3: Do they teach out how to do the kicks, coz when i look wot u have to learn to each phases it doesn't include many kicks etc... thought kali sikaran included filipino Kick boxing.?

Have read the links that there is about kali sikaran..just wanted to hear from u that have actually trained it

Many thx in advance

JamesG

Crucible

What school are you training in and who's your teacher?

JamesG

I train in sweden..

Do u have the answers to my questions..?

Thx in advance

LAKANPOPOT

JamesG
It depends on what style of sikaran you are studying. I know that sikaran is a filipino style. For example Sikaran of the Geronimo clan of Rizal is based first on a Okinawan/shotokan karate base. Because the founder was a Karate stylist that put a Filipino flavor to it. I have a friend who was a blackbelt in this type and he said we used to study shotokan karate then GM Geronimo changed it to sikaran. Later Meliton Geronimo said when I talked to him if I wanted he would give me addresses of the arnis masters in his area if I like.
In the Philippines. Sikaran was like a game. You stand in a circle then the contest was to kick the opponent out the circle. They did not have many kicks from what I was told. YOu had an inside crescent kick, Push kick, front snap kick, back kick and side kick. I am not an expert of this art. Hope this just answers part of your question.

Lakanpopot

Crucible

Yup, sikaran just means kicking, there's sikaran in Inosanto blend, Pekiti Tersia, Vee-kuntaw-arnis, Maharlika kuntaw, any system that has kicking could say it does sikaran. That's why it helps to know more about who your instructor and what your lineage is. Then we'd be able to provide more solid awnsers to your question. Telling us that you do kali sikaran just tells us that you do a weapon art with kicking in it. If we knew who your intructor was and who they learned from, we could be alot more informative.

JamesG

Well i train in a Kali sikaran club in sweden.
Think that the kali sikaran we train are under Punong Guro Johan Skålberg's system.
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Hope this helped u guys out so u can answer me more easily.

Thx
JamesG

Crucible

Never heard of it. See if you can find out who your teacher trained from.

Eddy

The distribution of "kali" and "sikaran" is quite even, you will vary your training quite alot (mainly stickwork one session, boxing one session, knifework etc). Everything is based one the same principles, so the better you get at one thing it will reflect on the rest.
Bear in mind that sikaran part in Kali Sikaran is not the same as the filippino style sikaran. It is basicly filippino kickboxing, which resembles thaiboxing in many ways but with more emphasis on the hands (panantukan) than the kicking. Kicking will in most times be used as distractions or to break the opponents balance. Of course, this is up to you. if you prefer roundkicking your opponent to the ground instead of hitting him, then by all means. Panantukan is alot similar to western boxing, and you can expect alot of sparring.

No, it has some similarities (emphasis on the centreline etc) but the footwork and overall techniques are different. The basic principle is easy; avoid being hit (block/slip/parry/whatever), check opponent and finish (the finish is whatever suits the situasion, give him some good hits,kicks,elbows etc or just running away if you have the opportunity )


Kicking will come, but they tend to drill the panantukan part first. The kicks will include the basic thai roundkick, frontkick and a couple of other kicks. The targets are focused on knees, thighs, ancles and seldom go over the waist. This will be integrated in sparring.

If you train directly under Skalberg, you're lucky, he's a good teacher. I look forward to the next seminar with him. I'll post his CV here if anyone is interested: http://www.kalisikaran.com/templates...icle.asp?ID=60

cheers

Eddy

The link to skalbergs cv is, by the way, not working at the moment. I guess it will be up and running again soon.

JamesG

THX ALOT EDDY...
What i meant about Skålberg was, that i think my teachers have trained under him. I train on a different location not far from Gothenburg though..
Think that we will do our tests for getting our phases infront of him..
U have been most helpful, and i'm very thankful
CHEERS

JamesG

ghastlyface

SIKARAN is mainly a kicking art, much like Tae Kwon Do and Muay Thai. It originated in the Philippines. Traditional garb consists of a plain white "camisa de chino", a simple white shirt, and blood-red trousers. Its signature move is a reverse spinning roundhouse kick called "biakid" wherein the attacker's heel connects to the back of the head or neck of the defender.

Congratulations to all students of SIKARAN-JITSU in KSA for their impressive improvements that they have attained in the course of their training.Keep up the good work!

loui_ludwig

Sikaran is not based on Okinawan/shotokan karate. It was developed by the farmers of Baras, Rizal during the 1920's. One sikaran technique used by sikaran, called the biakid(spinning hook kick), was incorporated in Korean taekwondo during a competition in Korea on 1957 which a sikaran team participated. Before that, the spinning hook kick did not exist in taekwondo. To be accepted in competitions, they had to name themselves Karate Brotherhood even though their style is sikaran. Even though sikaran was founded in the 1920's, it was only recognized in the 1960's or 70's as a martial art. The founder of the sikaran is Cipriano Geronimo, known as the last of sikaran arnis haris(kings). His son is Meliton Geronimo, responsible for structuring and perpetuation of sikaran as a contemporary martial art. Meliton also studied judo and karate. He was promoted to 10th dan by the Asian Karate Associaton in 1961 and became a grandmaster of sikaran.

I am not saying what you posted is wrong. I am just writing the facts about Sikaran Arnis in the book "Filipino Martial Culture". The author interviewed Meliton in Baras, Rizal.

I took sikaran arnis for only 1 day. We did some arnis training. Sikaran is to be practice later on. I wanted to attend the next class but my older cousin stopped training. Baras, Rizal is about 20-30 minute drive from my hometown(Teresa), My parents did not want me to go by myself on public transportation from fear that i would be kidnap since my father worked in Saudi Arabia.(My family was not rich, but since my father is earning dollars instead of pesos, and were pretty well off than the other families)

kesslari

Guro Skalberg has excellent Kali and Escrima skills.
I was fortunate to do a seminar with him.
His background does include kicking, striking, and grappling - very well rounded, and that definitely comes into his system.
But his FMA is very strong as well.
JK

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