HtTKar

I know this doesnt really belong in a Filipino Arts section, but I figured this was close enough. Lately I've started to become interested in some of the ideas behind Pencak Silat Harimau (Minangkabau?). I would like to know more about this art. Is it still being taught in a pure form anywhere anymore? Where can I look for good sources of information so I can study some of their ideas, beliefs, and philosophies? What I have seen of this style is highly deceptive ground fighting. I know that Kuntao and Silat have changes since the Dutch left Indonesia, has this art changed also?

I just want to learn more, Thank you ahead of time for pointing me in the right direction.

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Mike Brewer

Talk to Guro Harley Elmore at www.warriorswaytx.com. He's got a love of harimau (we used to call it "Harley-Mau" in his honor ) and he's likely to be able to point you in the right direction.

Best of Luck,
Mike

HtTKar

Thanks Mike, we'll see what happens.
Thank you.

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Leslie

Hi there,

If you are looking in particular for Harimau Minangkabau from the Hanofi (sp?) family , the number one place for that specific style within the states is Texas, specifically Dallas and Ft. Worth. Guru Richard DeBordes, who represents that syle in the west, teaches it there several times a year. The resident instructors there are "Doc" Ken Dority, Bill Stutesman, and Kelly Smith. You are welcome to contact me directly for their contact info.

If you are looking for any style of Harimau, then there are many versions to choose from. Harimau just means "tiger," and since the tiger is a very popular mascot or patron ancestor in the east, it is a popular name for martial arts styles. The styles from Sumatera are more traditional in general. In my personal experience visiting Sumatera, they don't usually don't call it Harimau (bahasa Indonesia) and they often use the term Silek, rather than Silat, but I'm sure it varies by style and region. The traditional "tiger" styles of Sumatera usually involve the hard leg training and focus on impact and movement. They are famous for the ground fighting, but that is not the only characteristic.

Styles such as Mande Muda have a base in the traditional, but have incorporated more locking / breaking / grappling like elements. I personally do Mande Muda and love it. I teach in Austin, Texas, but I'm sure there are many other good resources you can find near you. Anyway, I'm happy to help in any way I can.

BrotherD

I had the pleasure of training with Doc Dority in OKC. He was a guest instructor for Darrell Sarjeant. He's very humble and knows his stuff.
That was the first time that I had seen Harimau taught like that so if you can look him up. I've also heard great things about Mande Muda, And
I aslo seen Wally songo (sp) and that's hot too...
enjoy.
p.s. if you grapple then I would choose WS when you see it you'll know what I mean.
Peace

EGstudent

check out this website www.reelcombat.com really really good silat

HtTKar

That is a pretty cool website. I think I checked everything out there. I see that Inosanto recomends these videos, so I'll play around with the idea of getting them for furthering my knowledge. Videos are just so hard to learn from, especially an art with so many little "tricks" and simultaneous movements. Thanks guys for the information, help, and links.

I've looked around a bit. I live near Buffalo, NY, and the closest schools seem to be at least 5hrs away. I'd like to go, but I just dont have that kind of time to make it an every week kind of thing.

Wali Songo silat seems to be the same thing that link (www.reelcombat.com) directs me to. Taught by Steve Benitez.

Thanks everyone. This thread has already taught me more than I previously knew. I've got a pretty good start and weeks worth of reading material thanks to all of you. Thanks for getting me started.

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kalari

Hi all,
Is harimau just a groundfighting system? I read there are a variety of kicks used in Silat Harimau,how these kicking techniques like?Is it a complete system in itself ?
thank you
kalari

Leslie

Hi Viking,

Again, I'm not the expert for this particular style, but from what I have been told, it is complete. Although the groundfighting aspect is what it is famous for, Harimau has other ranges of fighting. It also has weapons.

The kicking element is a forte of the style. As I compare the Harimau and Pamacan of Mande Muda to Harimau Minangkabau, I see more of an emphasis on impact (kicking, striking, body checking) with the HM Minangkabau.

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kalari

hi Leslie
Thank You for your reply.
I have founded some information about Harimau and other ground fighting systems in silat
1.http://eastweststudios.com/80.0.html
2.http://www.silateurope.com/(In the article section 'The fighting Tiger of Cimande')

Kalari

Leslie

No problem. Looks like you found some interesting links.
thank you.

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HtTKar

I'm still learning a lot right now, and if I come across some great links I'll add them also. Good link, thanks kalari.

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kalari

No problem HtTKar

kalari

Here is some information about a chinese style which resembles Harimau silat.It's called Dog Boxing
Anyone here got more idea about this style.


Naturally a style known as "Dog Boxing" is going to have at least one other name. So Dog Boxing is also called by such names as Shaolin Di Shu Quan (Shaolin Ground Arts Boxing), Shaolin Di Long (Shaolin Ground Dragon Fighting) and Di Shang Gong Fa Quan (The Skill of Groundwork).

Many people consider Dog Boxing to have originated in the Southern Shaolin Temple. Some say its creator was the famous martial teacher and nun, Wu Mei. From Wu Mei it was passed to Miao Jin Hua. Miao, another woman, taught her son: Fang Shi Yu who make a hybrid style containing Dog Boxing and Hua Quan. After the Southern Shaolin temple was burned down, Fang did as many others and escaped. He went to Yong Chun, then Da Tian, then to Guan Yan Shi Temple known at the time as Zhu Yuan Shi. Fang started teaching at this temple. Thereafter Dog Boxing became a monk's style for generations. One of its students was the monk Hui Kai. In his wandering Hui Kai visited FuJian and Guan Dong. He taught one students Zheng Yi Shan who was a native of Nan Tai, Lao Ya Zhou county. Zheng did not pass on the art to many but after an incident force him to flee to Yong Chuan he did teach one Zhuang Zi Shen.

A completely different legend traces Dog Boxing to a Bai Lian Si Temple near the Southern Shaolin Temple. Nuns at White Lotus studied methods invented by the martial genius Qi Ji Guang and also dog boxing. This continued into the Qing Dynasty until a nun, by the name of 'mother Si Yue' learned the art then went to Yong Chuan - Yong Qin - Fu Qing - and Fu Zhou. She stayed with one family in particular in Yong Qin and she gave them the art. Once it was in the Chen family it became a family treasure. It passed from one grandmother to Chen Yi who killed a bandit and had to flee to Fu Zhou. Women often did the style - not unlike today in "self defense courses - because it was considered that women could more easily fight from the ground - especially those who might have bound feet and lacked normal stability.

What are the components of Dog Boxing? It contains Rolling, Ground Flowers, Cross Scissors kicks, Push Scissors kicks, Leg Wrapping, Stomp kicking, Diving, Dropping, Kneeling, Grappling, Pulling, Leg Hooking and more.

What is the strategy? To reach retreat to a place of familiarity unfamiliar to the opponent where you neutralize his advantages and emphasize yours. .

Though uncommon in the West Dog Boxing has had a few advocates such as Allen Lee ShihFu in New York.