Lua50

Anyone got any info on FMA from Hawaii ? Just wondering ? How about 'Polynesian' arts ? Mahalo.

haumana2000

hit da search butto bro
mahalo

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Lua50

U da guy who get 'Kahuna" kine power,huh ??

haumana2000

nah braddah me no kahu. jus a lowly braddah who like eat, like fight, like maka da babies

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Lua50

Aloha HaumanaYou one sharp Hawaiian, I like how you write, I saw your reply on the stickfighting thread. It is amazing how many people forget that 'martial' means WAR. Martial arts are 'WAR' arts. Me from Oahu, leeward side - Halawa-Waipahu area, so I've seen Hawaiian kine 'escrima' especially my side of Oahu where plenty kine 'cock fights' stay before time. I'm Samoan, Hawaiian, German, Chinese etc..... so I'm aware of the 'lua' from Hawaii & Samoa . Just looking for other 'local boyz' FMA or MA no matter, just like 'walaau' here on da forums. You know Robertl808 ? Mahalos & Aloha

haumana2000

Eh bra im originally from big island hamakua but used to live out in nanakuli. robert 808, long time friend of mine! yeah I very informed of the lua, its history, and traditions too! glad to see we got da hui hea!

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Lua50

Shootz Brah,
We get ohana right here for Hawaii FMA, right now I stay training with Master Chief Chris Siangco of Pedoy's Derobio Escrima and I will let Robert know that I when meet you braddah Haumana. A hui ho malama pono kanaka maoli . IMUA

haumana2000

E' ala e!

IMUA.

haumana

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Lua50

So braddah do you see many of the similarities in 'lua' & 'dumog', agaws, locks etc... They both seem intent on limb destruction,immobilization & dis-location of joints. One of my best friends back in Hawaii, he when study 'lomi-lomi' on the Big Island, Auntie Margret, I think he said was her name, anyway he told me 'lua' real precise dis-location of joints, so bum-bye can heal da buggah. I see some FMA techniques with much of the same precision especially in Pedoy's escrima cause they teach 'hilot'-Filipino lomi they fix da buggah after dey all bust up. Use the technique to stop aggression then repair the damage after its over what a concept but it is one I know is in 'lua'. Aloha Ke Akua !!

Robertlk808

Haumana2000 is the man! Geez I don't even remember how we ran into each other. Looking foward to the day you move back to the Islands. You know Im thinking about adding forums to my site with it specifically focusing on FMA in Hawaii just to see if we can get more people to participate. Dude if you ever move back maybe we can work on putting some of your ideas into production, you have a ton of great ideas.

Talooooofa Lua =)
Interesting topic you bring up about the connect to Lua and FMA. Have you seen that series by... dang I cant remember the name was it Kaju? I think Haumana knows what I am talking about...

Lua50

I have noticed a lot of FMA reminds me of Polynesian arts with metal instead of wood & rock or teeth like we use on our weaponry. The joint dis-location techniques seem similar IMHO, I'm sure there are differences but it does make sense to me that there are only so many ways that one can manually dis-locate or break joints. I try to use modified hula footwork in FMA or for you Robert some of the 'siva' footwork with 'nifo oti' body torque and angles.

haumana2000

Oddly you mention the Nifa (specifically the old wood version as opposed to Portugese influenced metal one) When I was researching for a book I wrote years ago, I studied the Nifa oti and its useage with Siaosi Talitimu. One of the things I found that it had in common with the Lua Techniques (At least in the branch I observed Pa' Kui'aholo was how you can latch the teeth of the Lei'o'mano on to the shoulder or trapezius muscle and pull, which would yank them them all the way around for your finishing shot. Oddly enough this same theory is used in Filipino Boxing as you slip the hook, go behind and yank the opposite shoulder allowing them to run into your elbow or cross. For my braddahs in FMA, the Polyneisan islands are geographically made up of either coral or volcanic rock, meaning that metal making skills were a foreign introduction. In fact so much so that early invaders ran the risk of having their ships attacked and burned for the nails which was considered a precious commodity. I do notice many cross sections where Lua' and Dumog blur. I do not by any stretch consider my limited knowledge to be an authoritative figure on the subject, more of an eternal haumana. My family background is with the FMA aspect. But I have been blessed to observe many sources of Lua and feel their family ties as a pacific nation. In regards to Kazja Patchul his tapes were called the Samoan Streetfighting series. Very nice and knowledgable guy, with a lot of lua influence techniques but as to true lua I would say no. He called it Kapu Kui'alua, but the true haumana would never refer to the kapu with the kui'alua as a group term. there was no protocol, and true lua without ha'a and protocol, is simply techniques. it is what the maori call "taonga" or a treasure of the people and any watering down without the spiritual side is not advocated. One key observation of the Lua/Dumog Connection is simply that the entries of lua are very power oriented probably a by product of ourr hawaiian bruthas being so much bigger
in general than us little ankle-biters so that being the case the end lock may be the same but the entry of fma is very subtle, because everything in fma (at least in my strain) is predicated on subtlety until he reaches his close quarter demise.

hope this helps!

Aloha nui loa.
-haumana

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Lua50

true lua without ha'a and protocol, is simply techniques. it is what the maori call "taonga" or a treasure of the people and any watering down without the spiritual side is not advocated. One key observation of the Lua/Dumog Connection is simply that the entries of lua are very power oriented probably a by product of ourr hawaiian bruthas being so much bigger
in general than us little ankle-biters so that being the case the end lock may be the same but the entry of fma is very subtle, because everything in fma (at least in my strain) is predicated on subtlety until he reaches his close quarter demise.

hope this helps!

Aloha nui loa.
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This is also true for FMA, in Pedoy's Derobio escrima they do refer to the spiritual side of the art. That is a good thing to have technique for different size persons in case one might find themselves in a situation with a really big dude. I have been taught that any fool can kill someone but it is a master that can defend & preserve life without killing ! I thought that was spiritual enough for me. That 'ha'a' comes from Akua, only Akua has the power to resurrect life, we don't but we can use 'hilot' or 'lomi' to help heal just like they teach in Pedoy's Derobio escrima. Braddah you are on that path of light just by what I've read here. Aloha Ke Akua & Malama Pono to you 'Haumana' 'Warrior of the Rainbow" the path of light ! Aloha !

haumana2000

Im hoping to go home in february so maybe we see you soon eh brah? any udda questions you have just ask away.

malama pono'
haumana2000

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haumana2000

doh! i was gonna ask too about the derobio empty hands, I once heard that they are very aggresseive and effective, I was wondering if you can say soemthing about them?

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