Doce Pares clip by Frans Stroeven

dp19 · 01-19-2008, 01:06 PM

Here is a movie of Frans Stroeven. He is a Dutch eskrimador. This are fragments from his new dvd in cooperation with Budo International.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=OvJvPfqWlYk

I hope you all enjoy,

Regards
Dp19

DickHardman · 01-19-2008, 01:45 PM

awesome video. this guy demonstrates some really good material. very aggressive techniques there.

fire cobra · 02-01-2008, 02:00 PM

I must be hard to please!

Michael Wright · 02-01-2008, 02:36 PM

To his credit he appears to be operating at a good skill level, and there is certainly some complex technical knowledge on display here. Sure its a little staged, but having made demo videos myself I appreciate that a certain degree of choreography has to take place, otherwise people will get hurt.

I guess my only criticism is that they seem to be trying to pass this material off as functional, when of course this kind of complex weaponry is very much the art, as opposed to the martial. The tough faces pulled to the camera and the grimacing on the part of his poor demo partner, make it come across like they are trying to convince you of some kind of reality inherent in all those stick&dagger fights we get into in our lives.

Still, its a good demo video of the Doce Pares system.

fire cobra · 02-02-2008, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

To his credit he appears to be operating at a good skill level, and there is certainly some complex technical knowledge on display here. Sure its a little staged, but having made demo videos myself I appreciate that a certain degree of choreography has to take place, otherwise people will get hurt.

I guess my only criticism is that they seem to be trying to pass this material off as functional, when of course this kind of complex weaponry is very much the art, as opposed to the martial. The tough faces pulled to the camera and the grimacing on the part of his poor demo partner, make it come across like they are trying to convince you of some kind of reality inherent in all those stick&dagger fights we get into in our lives.

Still, its a good demo video of the Doce Pares system.

Yeah Michael its the non functional bit i dont like,i guess i am hard to please though!.

As you say it is a choreographed demo after all,sometimes though in this type of demo the demonstrators can come across like Jazz Band practicioners,they have good skills with a stick to!.

Michael Wright · 02-02-2008, 04:41 AM

I don't think you are too hard to please, you have just been in the game a long time and probably seen a thousand videos like that one. Thats the difficulty now with making a demo video or releasing a DVD - what are you going to do that hasn't already been done a thousand times before?

fire cobra · 02-02-2008, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

I don't think you are too hard to please, you have just been in the game a long time and probably seen a thousand videos like that one. Thats the difficulty now with making a demo video or releasing a DVD - what are you going to do that hasn't already been done a thousand times before?

Yeah Michael i guess your right,i dislike being critical or negative,i just look for functionality and didnt see much there.

Michael Wright · 02-02-2008, 10:26 AM

I don't think you ever come across as negative, you just speak your mind.

And you know, if people make demo videos and put themselves out there on the web, then they have to accept feedback and take the rough with the smooth. God knows I have taken my share of shit over my clips, but you don't stick your head above the trenches and not expect to get shot at.

fire cobra · 02-02-2008, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

I don't think you ever come across as negative, you just speak your mind.

And you know, if people make demo videos and put themselves out there on the web, then they have to accept feedback and take the rough with the smooth. God knows I have taken my share of shit over my clips, but you don't stick your head above the trenches and not expect to get shot at.

Thanks Michael,

Hope your training is going well brother.

01-19-2008, 01:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
dp19 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1	Doce Pares clip by Frans Stroeven Here is a movie of Frans Stroeven. He is a Dutch eskrimador. This are fragments from his new dvd in cooperation with Budo International. http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=OvJvPfqWlYk I hope you all enjoy, Regards Dp19

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DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	awesome video. this guy demonstrates some really good material. very aggressive techniques there.

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fire cobra Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: north east england Posts: 308	I must be hard to please!

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Michael Wright Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 888	To his credit he appears to be operating at a good skill level, and there is certainly some complex technical knowledge on display here. Sure its a little staged, but having made demo videos myself I appreciate that a certain degree of choreography has to take place, otherwise people will get hurt. I guess my only criticism is that they seem to be trying to pass this material off as functional, when of course this kind of complex weaponry is very much the art, as opposed to the martial. The tough faces pulled to the camera and the grimacing on the part of his poor demo partner, make it come across like they are trying to convince you of some kind of reality inherent in all those stick&dagger fights we get into in our lives. Still, its a good demo video of the Doce Pares system.

02-02-2008, 04:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Michael Wright Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 888	I don't think you are too hard to please, you have just been in the game a long time and probably seen a thousand videos like that one. Thats the difficulty now with making a demo video or releasing a DVD - what are you going to do that hasn't already been done a thousand times before?

02-02-2008, 10:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
Michael Wright Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 888	I don't think you ever come across as negative, you just speak your mind. And you know, if people make demo videos and put themselves out there on the web, then they have to accept feedback and take the rough with the smooth. God knows I have taken my share of shit over my clips, but you don't stick your head above the trenches and not expect to get shot at.

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