rezbot2000

Hey, I was wondering how likely you all think it is to defend against an assailant with a knife? I mean, I know you guys practice it all the time but I've heard that no amount of practice really prepares you--it's best to not fight back. Also, if you had to fight back do you think you would come out on top?

Garland

A real knife assault you won't see coming. An intelligent, armed attacker will simply stick you without any foreshadowing, and take what they need off of your body. An intelligent armed attacker whom you piss off will cut you before you can see them draw the blade. In both cases, you do your best to fight back...or you die on the floor.

If some kooky crazy goofball bastard is waving a knife around...he can still hurt you, and it's better to run or walk away if you can...if you can't walk away, of course you fight.

You HAVE to fight back. If you are breathing and conscious, you have to do your best to keep yourself breathing. You try not to get cut, you try your best to fend off the attack until you can get away or until you can diffuse the situation. You keep aware of your surroundings, try to use footwork to get your back to a door so you can flee...or you do the same to get to a weapon...

It is very unlikely to get into this type of situation anyway, and even more rare that both parties be armed...still I say it's always better to carry an un-needed weapon and have it than to need it and not have it.

As for who would come out on top. I will. Always. If I allow myself to even consider dying, then I've psychologically registered that as a possible outcome. Fear is good. It's very VERY HEALTHY to respect a blade...but negative thinking will hurt you too.
As Tuhon Gaje says- choose life.

So...
A) Chances are if there is intent behind the attack, you're fucked from the start- if you can fight, fight.
B) If you can run, run. If you can't, do your best to fight until you can flee or eliminate the threat.
C) Never say die.

"It's best not to fight back" is stupid. Beating feet is smart. Fighting back when cornered is smart. Letting somebody stab you is beyond retarded.

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Garland is on the right track. But, if you have to deal with them....these guys did it right. Use anything you can.

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warrior_artist

Not fighting back is NEVER an option. You'd be best getting that mentality out of your head now while nothing is happening. That type of thought process is suicidal when someone actually does try to kill you with a knife. It's akin to taking the knife from the person and doing yourself. You might as well, you have proverbially handed him the key to victory by mentally defeating yourself well in advance.

I'm not going to get into tactics. Words do a horrendous job of demonstrating physical things. I will tell you that it takes a hell of a lot to die from a knife. Unless some major organ or blood-path is cut initially, odds are you won't simply fall over and die. And even if you suffer a major wound (barring certain ones) you probably will have enough fight in you to do something about the bastard who just hurt you.

I've seen guys stabbed several times. I've seen people, a 5'2" 100lbs. woman even, cut up from a psycho boyfriend. I run into people getting shot and stabbed all the time. Very rarely does it result in an instantaneous death. The woman above is still alive. She took an attempt at having her throat slit. Pretty decent wound, but she fought enough to get away and to get to help.

Don't mentally resign yourself to defeat before you even get a chance to fight. That's just a self-destructive, pitiful mentality. Don't train for it, either.

I might have to go into a thread on proper training methodolgy for warriors, but conditioning on this topic is relevant. If you are training to react adversely to a knife wound then you will react that way. If you train not to respond to knife damage in the heat of the conflict you will react that way. Just because you are cut doesn't equal endgame. Same for guns. Just because you are shot doesn't mean your done. That's what I like about sims training. You feel the hit, but train to keep fighting. It's a conditioning response in the training.

Bruce K. Siddle addressed this in Sharpening the Warrior's Sword, a good book to check out.

So, whatever you physically will attempt to do against a knife attack, prepare yourself effectively in advance with good training, mentally and physically.

And don't ever choose the submit to the will of the attacker. I will be damned if I let anyone choose whether I live or die in this world. I will live either because I chose to fight and killed the bastard. Or I will die because I chose to fight and try and kill the bastard. Either way the result will be because of my choice and not because I deferred that choice to my assailant. I will not be executed on the whim of a piece of crap.

Tactics, I don't feel like writing about it. Like I said earlier, words are horrible about describing how to fight. Whatever you do the goal is simple: do what you must to stay alive and win. It's much more about merely surviving a violent encounter it's about winning that encounter.

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Mike Brewer

Some good examples of what it really looks like.

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If that's not the kind of thing you're training for, you're being horribly unrealistic. It's never, ever going to be a squared off event with both guys ready and willing. Fact is, you're not likely to even know you're in a knife fight until you're cut, stabbed, or both. You need to be training against ambush predators. Taking a cue from nature, that generally means the core of your training needs to be keen awareness of surroundings, attention and readiness to react, and great cardio fitness in case you need to beat a quick exit. Even if you're forced to fight against a knife, the goal should be escape and survival, not beating the guy with the knife.

For myself and my own training, this means thinking about and practicing certain tactics in everyday life like avoiding trouble areas and the other obvious litany. It means walking with my weak side toward a wall when I can so that threats must approach on the strong side. It means sitting so that people can't come in and take a seat behind me or in a blind spot. It means looking over nearly every crowd I'm in and checking hands and hips for the possibility of weapons. Those are the real measures that you use to avoid getting cut by a knife. It seems paranoid at first, but later on, it's very natural. Even people I'm friends with naturally cede the gunfighter's chair in a restaurant, theater, or club when I'm with them just because they know my tendencies. I don't really even think about it anymore. I just try to keep my eyes and ears open, my gun side clear, and my drawing/firing hand empty. Beyond that, it's just a matter of planning the obstacles and exits, knowing where to move to make it hard for the other guy to close, and keeping my own mental edge sharp and ready.

gavin

Ive been here and what i done as an untrained man who naturally faught back when cornered where focus purely on the knife. I grabbed the cunts hand with both of mine and leant all my bodyweight over so we fell to the ground. i had the twat biting on my cheek his gf kicking me and his mate slamming a golf club in to my head but i just concentrated on pushing that knife from his hand with my thumb.

The surprising thing to me where i just stabbed out with no hessitation. I have always been a tad cringy about stabbing someone and couldnt invisage myself doing it but in the moment its as natural as breathing.

lionleo

"from Mike Brewer-If that's not the kind of thing you're training for, you're being horribly unrealistic. It's never, ever going to be a squared off event with both guys ready and willing. Fact is, you're not likely to even know you're in a knife fight until you're cut, stabbed, or both. You need to be training against ambush predators. Taking a cue from nature, that generally means the core of your training needs to be keen awareness of surroundings, attention and readiness to react, and great cardio fitness in case you need to beat a quick exit. Even if you're forced to fight against a knife, the goal should be escape and survival, not beating the guy with the knife.

For myself and my own training, this means thinking about and practicing certain tactics in everyday life like avoiding trouble areas and the other obvious litany. It means walking with my weak side toward a wall when I can so that threats must approach on the strong side. It means sitting so that people can't come in and take a seat behind me or in a blind spot. It means looking over nearly every crowd I'm in and checking hands and hips for the possibility of weapons. Those are the real measures that you use to avoid getting cut by a knife. It seems paranoid at first, but later on, it's very natural. Even people I'm friends with naturally cede the gunfighter's chair in a restaurant, theater, or club when I'm with them just because they know my tendencies. I don't really even think about it anymore. I just try to keep my eyes and ears open, my gun side clear, and my drawing/firing hand empty. Beyond that, it's just a matter of planning the obstacles and exits, knowing where to move to make it hard for the other guy to close, and keeping my own mental edge sharp and ready."

Sorry I dont know how to quote...he,he...
I do agree with Mike..here is a link of a write up i posted on my website regarding an experience we had which demanded my utmost decisions...

http://kidlatarnis.tripod.com/id63.html

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lionleo

just trying it donkey--thanks

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