The Ultimate in Martial Arts

crazyjoe380 · 09-24-2002, 03:55 PM

someone explain this martial art to me.. im very interested in it. i dont understand. is it ground fighting?

crazyjoe380 · 09-25-2002, 05:27 PM

not one of you can answer this?? psssssss

yenhoi · 09-25-2002, 07:11 PM

Silat is a martial art from se asia. BJJ has its roots in japanese jujitsu, is a ground fighting art from brazil.

Silat is primarily concerned with gaining control of the opponents spine, and breaking it.

BJJ is primarily concerned with neutralizing your opponent, submssion fighting.

crazyjoe380 · 09-25-2002, 07:35 PM

wooh wooh wooh .. nuetralizing ones spine??? break this martial arts down for me please i want to know as much about it as possible...

yenhoi · 09-30-2002, 07:37 PM

First, I do not practice silat, I have only recently very 'shallowly' studied the training methods....

Silat has punches, kicks, open hand, hips, shoulders, elbows, knees, thighs, heels, etc, etc, all the same weapons that all other arts have, but the focus is on closing the distance betwwen you and your opponent, to the shortest possible distance (bodies touching) as to eliminate as many as possible of your opponents weapons from being able to physically strike you. Then, using your body as natural leverage, you gain hold somewhere (preferable the head - easiest to manipulate the spine) and fold his body violently, breaking his spine and ending the encounter.

Lots of slip training, lots of fast footwork training, lots of human anatomy (where the folds are, where the so-called "coiling" points are....... etc.)

Folding points are places on the body you can bend a person over, and when bent far enough, not only destroys te persons balance, but breaks thier spine.

Coiling points are places you can apply pressure on a person, to neutralize thier 'wind-up' for a strike or other movement.

Example: 1 folding point is the small of the back.

Example: 1 coiling point is the middle of someones forehead. Try this on a person sitting down: touch the center of thier forehead, and ask them to stand up without using thier arms for leverage, dont press to hard, just hold your finger there..... its neat, and its easy.

That is about the extent of my knowledge of Silat. it is a vast and beautiful art, that can hardly be surmized in a few, short-sighted paragraphs. As always, how you train is how you fight, believe in yourself, and say no to drugs....

terry · 09-30-2002, 08:28 PM

Consider the following grade-school analogy:

When, as a beginner in Brazilian jujutsu, they teach you to multiply, they teach you that 3x5 = 15. This holds true for as long as you study jujutsu.

However...
When, as a beginner in Pentjak Silat, they teach you that 3x5=17.
When, as an intermediate in Pentjak Silat, they teach you that 3x5=16.
When, as an advanced student in Pentjak Silat, they teach you that 3x5= 15.

They have peppered those gurus and sambuts with much mis-information to keep you from learning the art. It can be quite dis-heartening actually. It is not so much that the Silat people can't teach well as they so often don't want to.

T

crazyjoe380 · 10-01-2002, 08:13 PM

i get it.. ^^^

good example...

i was investigating cause some guy was acting real f.uckin arrogant.. he really didn't move me but other people were on his nuts like "wow that's cool bro ... batta beep.. batta bap." and i wasn't impressed. he was doing some s.hit which was a joke.. i was like. o yea. cool. i take muay thai and bjj. and he was like silat is better then bjj.. maybe so maybe not.. i think not but .. we wont know until we go at right?.. then he was like i only fight for defense... i was like yea yea..

what can i do about people like that..

yenhoi · 10-02-2002, 10:08 AM

Cross hands with them, expierence, and learn.

haumana2000 · 10-03-2002, 11:24 AM

It has less to do with the style than the practicioner. Each art has a range that it may be more effective than another, anybody can be beaten on any given day, and if one gets caught in a range, place or situation he is unprepared for, than he is a losing dog that day. It is all about who wants it more, who has more killer mindset, and how far are you wiling to take it. Silat has virtually hundreds of systems each with different strategies, and variations, some ARE specifically ground oriented, and are very good there. However, every one focuses on retaining the standing position. BJJ also has it's strong place too which is the clinch takedown, and finish. If you are talking about street fighting, take it from someone who knows as an ex-gangbanger, no matter what art you practice, if someone wants to get you.. they will. no matter what you know. These are points i am sure that are not foreign, but the fact is, a real bjj guy, OR silat practiticioner, should have enough self confidence not to go around bragging, putting down other people or arts, and if they do, they probably get what is coming to them. Professor David James once told me, that the easiest way to get yourself killed, or murdered, is to mess with a man's family or humiliate him in public. To take a man's pride is to take his manhood, and woe to him that does.

crazyjoe380 · 10-03-2002, 03:44 PM

X CHOLO? ^^gangster?

Coo.. me too lol..

i am now a practioner of the martial arts and devote my life to porn...hahahhahahahahaha

haumana2000 · 10-03-2002, 04:15 PM

yeah we all do things growing up tht we are not proud of. Fortunately for me, I had a daughter at fifteen, and one day I thought.. How would I feel if someone shot her as she was playing for something I did. I joined the military, the best thing I could have done. One good thing is, I know pretty much what works and what is fluff, I have been there, where a lot of fancy schools, have somebody that has never even been in a fight teaching. Unfortunately, those who I called friends then, are not around now if you get my point... Also, a lot of self defense has to do with street smarts, not just technique ya know?

crazyjoe380 · 10-03-2002, 05:05 PM

yup.. the streets experance can't be tought in any class room.. not any average joe can just to out with martial arts and kick someone ass.. it's the mentality too.. and knowlege..

"damn i wonder if his homeboys are round the courner"

sometimes you have to know when to walk aways.. for your lifes sake.. you can't fight everytime cause the streets have to rules.

haumana2000 · 10-03-2002, 05:51 PM

the school of hard knocks can be a strong tool. For instance; I have my students learn what I call Gabe's lil barroom rules...
1. Never Sit with your back to the door or at the bar
2. Never use the urinals, I have seen many a man get knocked out unaware at the "pisser"
3. If use go to the restroom, go to the last stall, and lock the door, if someone ollows you in, most of the time, the last stall will have a plunger with a wooden handle in it, a nice little Kali tool!
4. Always watch the guy who stares at you and shakes your hand too hard, those are the guys usually that feel threatened by you.
5. Always look for a side door.

JLV · 10-14-2002, 10:46 AM

Ever sence I attended a Silat siminar in Indiana I have been searching for a place to train. It was awsome.. efficiant, streight forward... natural..

I HUNGER for more..

But, I have had no luck finding instructors..

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE there is quality instruction (I'll travel up to 4hrs) within range of DT Houston.

haumana2000 · 10-14-2002, 12:13 PM

This may help you with some contact info for Mande Muda.

Doc Dority Dallas, Texas (214) 324-6646
mailto:tigerdude3@juno.com

Salamat, Mahalo!

Good Luck!

09-24-2002, 03:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,369 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	what exactly is SILAT? and how does it differ from Brazilian Jiu jitsu? someone explain this martial art to me.. im very interested in it. i dont understand. is it ground fighting?

09-25-2002, 07:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
yenhoi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reno, Nv Posts: 211 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Silat is a martial art from se asia. BJJ has its roots in japanese jujitsu, is a ground fighting art from brazil. Silat is primarily concerned with gaining control of the opponents spine, and breaking it. BJJ is primarily concerned with neutralizing your opponent, submssion fighting. __________________ strike!

09-30-2002, 07:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
yenhoi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reno, Nv Posts: 211 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	First, I do not practice silat, I have only recently very 'shallowly' studied the training methods.... Silat has punches, kicks, open hand, hips, shoulders, elbows, knees, thighs, heels, etc, etc, all the same weapons that all other arts have, but the focus is on closing the distance betwwen you and your opponent, to the shortest possible distance (bodies touching) as to eliminate as many as possible of your opponents weapons from being able to physically strike you. Then, using your body as natural leverage, you gain hold somewhere (preferable the head - easiest to manipulate the spine) and fold his body violently, breaking his spine and ending the encounter. Lots of slip training, lots of fast footwork training, lots of human anatomy (where the folds are, where the so-called "coiling" points are....... etc.) Folding points are places on the body you can bend a person over, and when bent far enough, not only destroys te persons balance, but breaks thier spine. Coiling points are places you can apply pressure on a person, to neutralize thier 'wind-up' for a strike or other movement. Example: 1 folding point is the small of the back. Example: 1 coiling point is the middle of someones forehead. Try this on a person sitting down: touch the center of thier forehead, and ask them to stand up without using thier arms for leverage, dont press to hard, just hold your finger there..... its neat, and its easy. That is about the extent of my knowledge of Silat. it is a vast and beautiful art, that can hardly be surmized in a few, short-sighted paragraphs. As always, how you train is how you fight, believe in yourself, and say no to drugs.... __________________ strike!

10-02-2002, 10:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
yenhoi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reno, Nv Posts: 211 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	...people like that.... Cross hands with them, expierence, and learn. __________________ strike!

10-03-2002, 11:24 AM	#9 (permalink)
haumana2000 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 308 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It has less to do with the style than the practicioner. Each art has a range that it may be more effective than another, anybody can be beaten on any given day, and if one gets caught in a range, place or situation he is unprepared for, than he is a losing dog that day. It is all about who wants it more, who has more killer mindset, and how far are you wiling to take it. Silat has virtually hundreds of systems each with different strategies, and variations, some ARE specifically ground oriented, and are very good there. However, every one focuses on retaining the standing position. BJJ also has it's strong place too which is the clinch takedown, and finish. If you are talking about street fighting, take it from someone who knows as an ex-gangbanger, no matter what art you practice, if someone wants to get you.. they will. no matter what you know. These are points i am sure that are not foreign, but the fact is, a real bjj guy, OR silat practiticioner, should have enough self confidence not to go around bragging, putting down other people or arts, and if they do, they probably get what is coming to them. Professor David James once told me, that the easiest way to get yourself killed, or murdered, is to mess with a man's family or humiliate him in public. To take a man's pride is to take his manhood, and woe to him that does. __________________ Tenei te koorero mo te wa rapua i te mea ngaro "search for what is missing, hidden, stolen"

09-25-2002, 05:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,369 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	not one of you can answer this?? psssssss

09-25-2002, 07:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,369 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	wooh wooh wooh .. nuetralizing ones spine??? break this martial arts down for me please i want to know as much about it as possible...

09-30-2002, 08:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
terry Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacifica, CA USA Posts: 571 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Consider the following grade-school analogy: When, as a beginner in Brazilian jujutsu, they teach you to multiply, they teach you that 3x5 = 15. This holds true for as long as you study jujutsu. However... When, as a beginner in Pentjak Silat, they teach you that 3x5=17. When, as an intermediate in Pentjak Silat, they teach you that 3x5=16. When, as an advanced student in Pentjak Silat, they teach you that 3x5= 15. They have peppered those gurus and sambuts with much mis-information to keep you from learning the art. It can be quite dis-heartening actually. It is not so much that the Silat people can't teach well as they so often don't want to. T

10-01-2002, 08:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,369 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i get it.. ^^^ good example... i was investigating cause some guy was acting real f.uckin arrogant.. he really didn't move me but other people were on his nuts like "wow that's cool bro ... batta beep.. batta bap." and i wasn't impressed. he was doing some s.hit which was a joke.. i was like. o yea. cool. i take muay thai and bjj. and he was like silat is better then bjj.. maybe so maybe not.. i think not but .. we wont know until we go at right?.. then he was like i only fight for defense... i was like yea yea.. what can i do about people like that..

10-03-2002, 03:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,369 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	X CHOLO? ^^gangster? Coo.. me too lol.. i am now a practioner of the martial arts and devote my life to porn...hahahhahahahahaha

10-03-2002, 04:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
haumana2000 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 308 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	yeah we all do things growing up tht we are not proud of. Fortunately for me, I had a daughter at fifteen, and one day I thought.. How would I feel if someone shot her as she was playing for something I did. I joined the military, the best thing I could have done. One good thing is, I know pretty much what works and what is fluff, I have been there, where a lot of fancy schools, have somebody that has never even been in a fight teaching. Unfortunately, those who I called friends then, are not around now if you get my point... Also, a lot of self defense has to do with street smarts, not just technique ya know? __________________ Tenei te koorero mo te wa rapua i te mea ngaro "search for what is missing, hidden, stolen"

10-03-2002, 05:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,369 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	yup.. the streets experance can't be tought in any class room.. not any average joe can just to out with martial arts and kick someone ass.. it's the mentality too.. and knowlege.. "damn i wonder if his homeboys are round the courner" sometimes you have to know when to walk aways.. for your lifes sake.. you can't fight everytime cause the streets have to rules.

10-03-2002, 05:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
haumana2000 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 308 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	the school of hard knocks can be a strong tool. For instance; I have my students learn what I call Gabe's lil barroom rules... 1. Never Sit with your back to the door or at the bar 2. Never use the urinals, I have seen many a man get knocked out unaware at the "pisser" 3. If use go to the restroom, go to the last stall, and lock the door, if someone ollows you in, most of the time, the last stall will have a plunger with a wooden handle in it, a nice little Kali tool! 4. Always watch the guy who stares at you and shakes your hand too hard, those are the guys usually that feel threatened by you. 5. Always look for a side door. __________________ Tenei te koorero mo te wa rapua i te mea ngaro "search for what is missing, hidden, stolen"

10-14-2002, 10:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
JLV Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: DT Houston Posts: 1 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	SILAT, the elusive Ever sence I attended a Silat siminar in Indiana I have been searching for a place to train. It was awsome.. efficiant, streight forward... natural.. I HUNGER for more.. But, I have had no luck finding instructors.. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE there is quality instruction (I'll travel up to 4hrs) within range of DT Houston. __________________ JLV-

10-14-2002, 12:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
haumana2000 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 308 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	This may help you with some contact info for Mande Muda. Doc Dority Dallas, Texas (214) 324-6646 mailto:tigerdude3@juno.com Salamat, Mahalo! Good Luck! __________________ Tenei te koorero mo te wa rapua i te mea ngaro "search for what is missing, hidden, stolen"

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