stealthx

I've been training for a few years with kamagong and rattan (28inch) sticks, and i was just wondering about real life applications on the street, in defence etc. The kamagong seems too heavy for real life, whilst the rattan seems too brittle/snaps too easily as well as not packing much of a punch behind it. What sticks would you recommend that are light/fast, but extremely hard(can be struck by kamagong, iron bars, baseball bats etc) and still pack a large enough punch behind it to put somone down first time and everytime. thanks

moromoro

hi
well my favorite wood is kamagong, i dont know about heavy you have to train more with it, it will become light also start working on your arms and forearms in the gym.....

other woods that i like are include bahi very strong not as heavy as kamagong i have an antique bahi (anahaw) stick which i still use occasionally for practice against other hardwoods.... also i like yakkal a very good wood... also you could try molave and a host of other hardwoods....

i recommend from your question bahi i think it will suit you fine............

terry

Reactor

Kamagong and bahi are excellent for real-life applications. However, a 28" stick is not very convenient, and you should consider using a shorter one, say about 18". I keep an 18" kamagong stick which is slightly tapered in my car. I put some tennis grips/wraps on it. I find it is a good analog to my ASP. If you work out regularly with 28" kamagong sticks, the 18" stick will be toothpicks to you. However, you should still play around with the shorter stick. Heck, you should play around with different sized weapons, including ballpens, bottles, dos por dos, deformed bars, etc. You never know what will be available.

swan104

I currently train with 28" rattan sticks, and they are starting to split. Are Kamagong or Bahi sticks ideal for training day-to-day training? Are they going to demolish other peoples sticks?

I'm assuming these are going to cost a lot more money, but I don't mind.

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Steven

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Rattan is fine and is really the only type of stick you should use if your partner/s also use rattan. It wouldn't be fair to them.

To my mind, kamagong sticks are nastily heavy, and are suitable only for fighting or solo training. And if you bang them against other kamagong sticks or any other hardwood with force, they could split and create dangerous pointed ends.

Personally, I feel using 28" kamagong for anything that involves training with someone else (eg two man drills, etc.) is unsafe. I learned this the hard way when I I hit myself once with my own stick years ago.

But I find that once you get used to swinging them, you really learn to develop the proper body mechanics for long blade work, since you really can't do snap-type strikes with them.

moromoro

i personally love kamagong or baji they are great for training
personally rattan is not very good for real fighting.....

kamagong can be a little heavy for some
but then you just gotta kept training

swan104

Thanks for that advice. I would also like to build up strength in my forearms and striking, so investing in a pair of those sticks sounds like a good option!

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Steven

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Like you, moromoro, I love them, and I train with them. For stick fighting (not training/sparring) they are the best. Personally, a training session is not complete without my drawing them out for practice. But I don't spar with them when the other guy's using rattan. He'd end up with a broken something

Veynn

I train with steel pipes to build forearm strength and striking power. Be careful if you want to use steel pipes, you might hurt your wrists.

I suggest you train first with Bahi, then Kamagong, then Steel Pipes. That's how I progressed in my stick training.

Oh yeah, you want power? Try hitting tires with steel pipes.

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moromoro

all good points if you want power, but also do some weight training as a supplement your forearms will pop out

moromoro

also to veynn

where can i see you guys train i will be heading back home next year i will spen 2 weeks in manila before going back to zamboanga... is it possible to do some training with your club

thanks

terry

Veynn

We're not actually a club. We're a private group of Mandala Maginoo Rommel Tortal. We usually don't accept outsiders we don't know kasi delikado ma-expose and Pekiti-Tirsia kung kani-kanino dito. Chief Senior Master Instructor kasi si Mandala Rommel Tortal ng Edged-Impact Weapon Tactical Combat sa Philippine Marines eh, kaya maingat sya kung kani-kanino.

Just e-mail me if you're already in Manila then we'll work something out.


dj@manilapitbulls.com

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Crash14

So where do you end up buying your sticks in the Philippines? The only place i saw them for sale (apart from the booths at the malls) were in Baguio, but I beleive they were mostly hardwood. But they were really nicely patterned wood. I wanted to buy some but my cousin already bought me an escrima stick from Manila somewhere and I couldn't fit any more in my luggage back here.

Reactor

There are a lot in Quiapo if you do not mind going there and really looking around. They're cheap there. Otherwise, try Squadron Shoppe, 2nd Floor Virra Mall in Greenhills. Good selections, overall.

moromoro

quaipo's good

i bought mine in legazpi my wifes from there (LCC) shopping center 260pesos for a pair of kamagong

i spent 300 pesos for one kamagong stick in evermall in QC and the quality was not as good as the one from LCC