Disarms-Incidental, if not accidental?

Chad W. Getz · 11-22-2000, 05:37 AM

I've not believed this, than believed it, than said it happens when it happens. I'm not sure if I believe it's incidental, if not accidental. I know most of the people that support this view say that they train the disarm so that they know what to do if they get it, but don't "look" for it. Doesn't everything in the fight revolve around this? What if I said my "style"-which is one that is one that focuses on disarms. And my empty hand style is one that focus' on trapping. Maybe not in the manner of the drills, but trapping none the less. And with weapons and without, I can prove it with real time sparring to support it as supporting evidence. FYI, the trapping that I work revolve more around the principles of control rather than classical CMA trapping. Not arguing any point, but maybe this is just a development that happens in "personal" styles? Hey, Mike, how's it going? Just something I was thinking about when I was reading a post you wrote somewhere else. Not directed at you personally, but just throwing it out there for some thoughts.

sikal · 11-22-2000, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Chad W. Getz
I've not believed this, than believed it, than said it happens when it happens. I'm not sure if I believe it's incidental, if not accidental. I know most of the people that support this view say that they train the disarm so that they know what to do if they get it, but don't "look" for it. Doesn't everything in the fight revolve around this? What if I said my "style"-which is one that is one that focuses on disarms. And my empty hand style is one that focus' on trapping. Maybe not in the manner of the drills, but trapping none the less. And with weapons and without, I can prove it with real time sparring to support it as supporting evidence. FYI, the trapping that I work revolve more around the principles of control rather than classical CMA trapping. Not arguing any point, but maybe this is just a development that happens in "personal" styles? Hey, Mike, how's it going? Just something I was thinking about when I was reading a post you wrote somewhere else. Not directed at you personally, but just throwing it out there for some thoughts.

"It happens when it happens" is what I mean by "incidental if not accidental." Yes, everything in a fight falls into this category. It's impossible to predict anything about a fight and if we try to predict or plan then (unless we outclass our opponent by light years) we're likely going to end up trashed before we ever get to step one of the plan ... whatever step one happens to be. Our training fine-tunes our reaction and keeps all the gears oiled.

I agree completely with your post, Chad. It seems to be just another way of getting to the same place.

"It happens when it happens" = "mind, no mind"

That's where we all want to be in the long run :-)

Regards, Mike

Demi Barbito · 11-22-2000, 01:02 PM

Consider this...

It boils down to using your "best options". There are no sure things and there is no majic! All you have are options.
If you were investing money would you throw your cash into all kinds of stocks and mutual funds just because your advisor told you to? Or, would you put the money into proven investments that make money??? Those are your best options!

The way I train people is...

Learn your best options for every range/situation and then learn the training methods that make all of it come to life. This must be methodical, structural and dynamic. Then you have something valuable/useful/FUNCTIONAL!!!

As far as disarms go, there are several types of disarms (not ways) i.e. Shock Release Disarm, Pain Release Disarm, Strip disarming...
I would not put disarming into the "best options" catagory under most circumstances, however, as circumstances and dynamics change, so do my options.

Chad W. Getz · 11-22-2000, 07:53 PM

Demi,

Yea, I would put my disarms more so under my "I might be in trouble here" options. It's also something that I work from the clinch, more so than at long or transitional ranges. Mike, you read me. I know I've misread the "incidental if not accidental" definition in the past and wanted to clarify it for those that might do the same.

Chad W. Getz · 11-23-2000, 06:50 PM

BTW, I was speaking on the topic of disarming sticks, not knives. Knives are a whole different animal all together.

11-22-2000, 05:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chad W. Getz Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 509 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've not believed this, than believed it, than said it happens when it happens. I'm not sure if I believe it's incidental, if not accidental. I know most of the people that support this view say that they train the disarm so that they know what to do if they get it, but don't "look" for it. Doesn't everything in the fight revolve around this? What if I said my "style"-which is one that is one that focuses on disarms. And my empty hand style is one that focus' on trapping. Maybe not in the manner of the drills, but trapping none the less. And with weapons and without, I can prove it with real time sparring to support it as supporting evidence. FYI, the trapping that I work revolve more around the principles of control rather than classical CMA trapping. Not arguing any point, but maybe this is just a development that happens in "personal" styles? Hey, Mike, how's it going? Just something I was thinking about when I was reading a post you wrote somewhere else. Not directed at you personally, but just throwing it out there for some thoughts. __________________ Chad W. Getz Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. The weapon arts imply the they can stop the unarmed man. A complete martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere.

11-22-2000, 01:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Demi Barbito Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Central Ca. Posts: 137 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Best Options!!! Consider this... It boils down to using your "best options". There are no sure things and there is no majic! All you have are options. If you were investing money would you throw your cash into all kinds of stocks and mutual funds just because your advisor told you to? Or, would you put the money into proven investments that make money??? Those are your best options! The way I train people is... Learn your best options for every range/situation and then learn the training methods that make all of it come to life. This must be methodical, structural and dynamic. Then you have something valuable/useful/FUNCTIONAL!!! As far as disarms go, there are several types of disarms (not ways) i.e. Shock Release Disarm, Pain Release Disarm, Strip disarming... I would not put disarming into the "best options" catagory under most circumstances, however, as circumstances and dynamics change, so do my options. __________________ Demi Barbito www.DemiBarbito.com www.IndependentKoncepts.com

11-22-2000, 07:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chad W. Getz Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 509 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Demi, Yea, I would put my disarms more so under my "I might be in trouble here" options. It's also something that I work from the clinch, more so than at long or transitional ranges. Mike, you read me. I know I've misread the "incidental if not accidental" definition in the past and wanted to clarify it for those that might do the same. __________________ Chad W. Getz Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. The weapon arts imply the they can stop the unarmed man. A complete martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere.

11-23-2000, 06:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chad W. Getz Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 509 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	BTW, I was speaking on the topic of disarming sticks, not knives. Knives are a whole different animal all together. __________________ Chad W. Getz Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. The weapon arts imply the they can stop the unarmed man. A complete martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere.

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