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    ninjitsu and body weight over weights?

    first of all id like to start learning ninjistu at home does anyone know any sites i can learn the basics from?

    second question as well as martial arts i enjoy body building problem is im no good at lifting my own body weight..........so id like to do more body weight exercise......problem with that is will that effect my muscle gain? is body weight a substitute for lifting?

    If someone could reply pretty soon it would appreciated as i wanna put it to practice. cheers all


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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic)(Lamont
    first of all id like to start learning ninjistu at home does anyone know any sites i can learn the basics from?
    There probably is a teacher near you that you could learn from. Where do you live at?

    second question as well as martial arts i enjoy body building problem is im no good at lifting my own body weight..........so id like to do more body weight exercise......problem with that is will that effect my muscle gain? is body weight a substitute for lifting?
    It can be, depending on how you do them. If you just do tons and tons of pushups in a row, you're training for strength-endurance over growth. If you want to add size and overall strength, do one-legged squats and one-arm pushups with max body tension, a few reps here and there throughout the day. If you want explosive strength, do jumping squats, clapping pushups, broad jumps, and the like.
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    Im in a town called Fleet which is the south of England (Hampshire)......theres not alot in the way of martial arts here apart from Karate (wado/shotokan) Aikido, kickboxing and boxing.......i mean in the local area im pretty sure there isnt a club........closest place i can figure is london but thats a trek.........cheers for the reply anyhow.

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    All these are in the UK, so I'm sure somebody's near you. If there's nobody close enough, you can always call around the dojos and there may be somebody there who isn't on these listings that are teaching somewhere nearby:

    World - United Kingdom
    Bujinkan Dojo South London
    seniorteacher: Rob Maynard rankdan: 3
    traininginfo: monday and wednesday eve
    7-9 pm
    contact the phone nmber to find out which location
    url: under construction
    phone: UK 020-6350253
    mobile: UK 07903 132206

    Instructor: Colin Curwood
    Grade: 5th Dan Shidoshi
    Dojo Name: Bujinkan Exeter
    Venue: Alphington Community Centre, Church Road,
    Alphington, Exeter, Devon, UK
    Telephone: +447932829614
    Email: bujinkan_exeter@yahoo.co.uk

    Bujinkan Liverpool Dojo,
    www.bujinkanliverpool.co.uk
    United Kingdom

    Bujinkan truro dojo
    seniorteacher: colin curwood
    rankdan: 5
    address: st.georges road, Truro, Cornwall
    traininginfo: Wednesdays 7.30-10.00pm
    url: www.bujinkan-truro.co.uk
    phone: 01872263778

    Ninjutsu Academy of Plymouth
    seniorteacher: Ian Jones rankdan: 2
    address: Mayflower Leisure Centre
    Central Park
    Plymouth,DEVON
    traininginfo: Tuesdays 7 - 9 pm Fridays 7 - 9 pm
    phone: +44 1752 218379

    Peter King - Shihan
    Baptist Church Hall; Brighton Road, UK; South Croydon, London
    Monday 7 pm - 9pm/phone: 01459 102063

    Shadow Warrior Ninjutsu Society (Chester and London)
    Brin 14th dan and Natasha Tomarkin Morgan 14th dan
    (recommended)
    Tom Iddon 10th Dan Ray Price 8th dan Andy Tenn 8th Dan
    PO Box 22; Rock Ferry, WIRRAL, Merseyside l42 4RR
    phone: (+44) 151 644 6137
    Email: SWNinjutsu@aol.com

    Kevin Addison
    Wandsworth Asian Community Centre; 57-59 Trinity Road; Wandsworth,
    London, UK
    phone: 0956 306884 Wednesdays 7p - 9p

    John Atkin
    4 Callerton Avenue%2C Moor Park Estate; North Shields, Tyne - Wear; NE29
    8AB, England

    John Brazier
    Shoshin House; 34 Haymarket; Lytham, St. Annes, Lancs, UK
    phone: 01253 725075 or e-mail: jbrazier@uk.es.com

    Birmingham University Ninjutsu Centre
    Karle Thomas Edgbaston, Birmingham
    phone: 0121 472 7826

    Bujinkan Alfredo Castan Dojo
    Alfredo Castan 10th Dan Shihan
    Training Times:
    Monday 7:30-8:30pm
    Tuesday 7:00-8:00pm
    Wednesday 7:30-9:30pm
    Contact info:
    Alfredo Castan tengudojo@hotmail.com
    Ian Piggott tengudojo_pr@hotmail.com

    Bristol Budokan
    John O'Connor Chalks Road; St. George; Bristol, England
    Thursdays 8pm - 10pm
    Brian Davis
    15 Chepstow Court; Yeovil, Somerset; BA2 15DN, England

    Paul Genge
    Rivermead Leisure Center; Thames Suite, Studio 2; Richfield Avenue;
    Reading, UK
    Fridays 8:30p - 10:30p/phone: 0956 306884

    Bujinkan Lincoln Dojo www.hanako.co.uk
    Paul Richardson

    Fl Lt Paul Hannigan R.N.
    46 Nanscober Place, Water-ma-Trout; Helston, Cornwall; TR13 0SP, England

    Paul Harper
    Crown Street Hall; Crown Street West; Lowesoft, Suffolk, UK
    Thursdays 7p - 9:30p phone: 0956 306884

    Dave Heald
    10 Mill Lane, GODALMING, Surrey GU7 1EY
    phone: (+44) 1483 428013

    Philip Hill
    67 Wilkes Road; Codsall, Wolverhampton; WV8 1SF, England

    Honto No Kokore
    Trevor Robinson 102 Kent Street; Barrow-in-Furness; Cumbria, Englad
    Mon & Wed 20:00 to 22:00

    Abdul Malik Kalim
    Kings College London (Chelsea site); Main Building, the Gym;
    Manressa Road; London, England
    Wednesdays 7pm - 9pm/phone: 0956 306884 or e-mail:
    kem@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk

    John Laitey
    The Lamb Inn; Clandown, Radstock, England
    Tuesdays 7pm - 9pm

    Jon Lish
    16 Buckfast Close; Swanwick, Derbyshire
    phone: (44) 1773 609933

    J.E. Lunn
    4 Rockingham Street; Darlington, Co. Durham; DL1 5DN, England

    Philip McNulty
    Tuesdays 8p - 10p (at St. Christopher Church Hall; Cheam, London)
    Wednesdays 7p - 20p (at Southampton University, The Judo Room) UK
    phone: 0956 306884

    Jullien Midda
    The Deaf Centre, Kings Square
    Sunday 5pm - 7pm

    Phil Mullins
    Manor Park Hospital, Fishponds
    Tuesdays 7 PM

    Simon Morris
    The Unitarian Church; The Flyover; East Croyden, London, England
    Fridays 7:15p - 10p/phone: 0956 306884

    Gary Pace
    99 Greets Green Road; West Bromwich, West Midlands; B70 9ET, England
    Penn Dojo - Alan Chapman
    Church Road; Penn, Bucks
    phone: 01494 815 981

    Ian Phillips - Yondan
    KewStoke Hall; KewStoke, Weston Super-Mare, England
    Saturdays 2pm - 4pm

    Keith Porter
    The Sea Cadets Hall; Whitstable, Kent, UK
    Thursdays/phone: 01227 277082

    Graham Ramsden
    St Mark's Church Hall
    Berlin Road (off Dale Street); Edgeley, Stockport UK
    p&f: 0161 950 0029
    Training on Thursday & Friday at 7:00pm - 9:00pm

    Chris Roworth
    53 Collingwood Road; Hillingdon, Middlesex UB8 3EJ
    phone: (+44) 181 569 3535

    Shoshin House - John Brazier
    34 Haynmarket; Lytham, St. Annes, Lancs
    phone: 01253 725075

    Norman Smithers
    41 Quarry Spring; Harlow, Essex;CM20 3HR, England
    phone: (44) 1279 303351

    Mountain Warrior Dojo (Wrexham Bujinkan Dojo)
    Andrew K Jones 5th Dan Shidoshi
    Address - 36 Stanley Road, Ponciau, Wrexham LL14 1HH, United Kingdom
    Email - mountainwarriordojo@hotmail.com
    Website - http://groups.msn.com/MountainWarriorDojo

    Gary Tonkin
    40 Swansea Road; Hirwaun, Mid Glamorgan, South Wales CF 44 9 PF

    Wexham School - Alex Bradley
    Norway Drive, Wexham; Slough, Berks, UK
    Mondays 7:30p - 9p, Wednesdays 7:30p - 9p, Sundays 5p - 6p (Juniors under
    15), Sunday 6p - 7:30p (Weapons class) phone: 01753 646012

    Nigel Yates
    132 Abbotswood Road; Brockworth, Gloucester; GL3 4PD, England
    phone44) 1452 864518

    Bujinkan Hammersmith Dojo
    Matthews Community Hall, Margravine Rd, W6
    Wed 7-10 London, UK
    Email hammersmithdojo@hotmail.com
    Website www.hammersmithdojo.org

    Yamabushikai
    seniorteacher: Jim Hough rank 2nd dan
    address: International Community Centre Mansfield Road Nottingham
    traininginfo: Saturdays, 13:30 - 16:30 (other venues during the week)
    url: http://www.ninjutsu.co.uk

    Bujinkan Swindon dojo
    seniorteacher: Shidoshi Paul Stubbs rankdan: 5
    address: Moreden School Akers Way Swindon SN2 2NQ
    traininginfo: Mon 7 till 8.30 Wed 7 till 8.30 Fri 7 till 8.30

    Bujinkan Newbury Dojo
    seniorteacher: Dave Giddings, Shodan
    address: Waterside Community Centre, Northbrook Street
    Newbury, Berkshire U.K.
    traininginfo: Mondays Junior class 1830 - 1915, Adult class 1930 - 2100
    url: http://newburyninjutsuclub.mysite.wa...members.co.uk/
    phone: 01635 48512
    mobile: 07834386599

    Bujinkan Wise Monkey Dojo
    seniorteacher: Gary Brewer rankdan: 2
    address: 23 High Street, Tredworth, Gloucester. Gloucestershire. England. GL1 4SP
    traininginfo: mon 6-9pm weds 6-9pm sun 1-3pm
    url: www.wisemonkeydojo.co.uk
    phone: 07891588406
    mobile: 07891588406
    KOTO RYU



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    How do these work for you?

    England : South

    London
    London Shootfighters - Kilburn, London
    Alliance Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, London
    Gracie Barra Academy - Piccadilly Circus, London
    Carlson Gracie Team London - London
    Brazilian Top Team - Victoria, London
    Braziilian Top Team BJJ - London, also Milton Keynes, Slough
    Nelson Solari BJJ - Clampham & Hammersmith, London
    Rio Grappling Club UK - London
    Electic Combat System - Bellingham, London
    Pancrase London - London
    Tokei Olympic Wrestling Club - London Bridge
    Top Wrestling Academy - Canada Water, London
    Bob Breen's Academy - Hoxton, London
    Self Protection Association - Palmers Green, London
    Elite Fighting Systems - Elephant & Castle, London
    London Jun Fan Academy - New Barnet/Friern Barnet, London
    Crawley Down MMA - Crawley, Greater London
    HSD Combat - Harrow, Middlesex

    These places will teach you to fight and survive, as well. They aren't "ninjutsu", but then, do you want to learn ninjutus, or do you want to learn to fight?

    Of course, that's awfully biased on my part. (shrug)

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    I would learn the basics of boxing and kickboxing, especially if it's nearby, and maybe later, if you move to where they have ninjutsu or find an instructor, learn that. Koto-ruy gave a solid advice. I'd like to add that strength endurance is actually what you need in combat and not pure strength. Of course, it's nice to have both. Also, be carefull with bodybuilding if you ultimately want to train in a martial art 'cause a pure bodybuilding program will make you slower and clumzy. There are certain strength and conditioning programs that combine both bodyweight exercises and weights, and will make you fit for MA. I follow one such program called Crossfit. It's at www.CrossFit.com. Check it out. It's awesome.

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    I just noticed the previous post and I have to agree with it. Chose one of those places, and you will learn to fight. I don't think ninjutsu will do that for you but I may be wrong. Koto_ruy is doing it and seems to be an expert. If that's what you wnat to do, he'll give you a good advice on it.

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    cheers for all the advice guys.......im already practicing kickboxing with the PKA and doin karate at a local school, im not new to martial arts its just im doin these martial art purely because there the ones i can get too.......its just ninjitsu appeals to me because its not a common MA (in the south). its a new challenge which requires different physical attributes......i mean i had a faze were i wanted to at least try capoeira but the fact theres no place here to do it jus made me lose interest an stick to what i know..........London is defenetly to far away........but i appreciate all the help guys cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodhisattva
    These places will teach you to fight and survive, as well. They aren't "ninjutsu", but then, do you want to learn ninjutus, or do you want to learn to fight?

    Of course, that's awfully biased on my part. (shrug)
    I'd say so
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeK
    I just noticed the previous post and I have to agree with it. Chose one of those places, and you will learn to fight. I don't think ninjutsu will do that for you but I may be wrong. Koto_ruy is doing it and seems to be an expert. If that's what you wnat to do, he'll give you a good advice on it.
    Far from an expert, but I have used it during my line of work (private security) and a lot of it is very effective. Like any art, there's some aspects I'm not fond of, but there's always ways to work around it.
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    Hey koto, just wondering, but is that pic of that guy holding the sign a pic of you?
    "NOTE - never piss off a guy who can clean in excess of 350lbs as the upward pulling motion transfers very nicely to the atomic wedgie" - lifter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadsword2004
    Hey koto, just wondering, but is that pic of that guy holding the sign a pic of you?
    Nah, my friend Brookie sent me that pic a week ago and I love it If anyone goes to the kusari fundo seminar in PA, they'll probably get to meet me in person. I'll probably put up a pic sometime soon anyways, once I fix my digital camera.
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    i c; yeah, that is an awesome pic, haha
    "NOTE - never piss off a guy who can clean in excess of 350lbs as the upward pulling motion transfers very nicely to the atomic wedgie" - lifter

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    Bodybuilding vs Bodyweight Training

    Alright A few things I know are alot of the big big guys in the gym I see are slow and cant move with full motion is it because they have big muscles.
    Yes that has some to do with it but more to do with it is that they do not stretch at all they start off with a warmup if at all that is to heavy and they often take steroids.
    All of these things will inhibit movement and decrease the actually length of your limbs and neck (like a football player looks like rushing).The answer is stretch like you do before karate but do it the same before weights but only for the muscle your going to workout if your not doing full body circuits.Now the calisthenic things is easier to explain you have gotten to a point where you are used to using metal weights not body weights your muscle have grown to using the heavy and not the you so has you mind (motor recruiting fibers in your muscles) I guarantee if instead of doing bench presses and triceps extensions that if for 1 week and everyother day in that week you did a set of 8 dip then a set of 15 push ups then repeated that 3 times for the workout session that you will go back and notice that you can do more on as soon as the next or last session (unless you hit the weights on those muscles again before then).And believe me when I can bench 300lbs and can only dip 10 reps and there are some women walking by the bench does seem alot better of an idea but the best is always discipline.

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