prohormes, the legal steroids

[DickHardman]

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[slayer31]

bro... OTC is a waste of your money. trust me.

[DickHardman]

i dunno. my homie has been taking a herbal supplement that increases HGH production in the body, and he has been making noticeable strength gains as of late. he bought it at the same place and it was legal. he swears he feels a difference. they had all kinds of crazy shit there.

[eXcessiveForce]

Pro hormones are precursors.


The body converts them to the next step.

I'm a little rusty but

DHEA is two steps from testosterone, Andro is 1 step.

Some people report some effects from them, however your natural production of each is soon lowered when you begin supplementation. Additionally they are not without side effects. Also your body may be unable to convert the andro to testosterone. Additionally when you go off the supplement after taking it for a long period your body may no longer produce sufficient quantities naturally and you can end up with heightened estrogen and a lack of testosterone. That can leave you with less muscle mass, less strength and breasts.

Artificial Hormones are not good for you in most cases, steroids change DNA. And while people may choose not to believe that there are serious negative side effects of long term steroid use, that does not change the fact that there is an increase in Heart problems, cancer, and other issues from taking them.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by eXcessiveForce

Additionally when you go off the supplement after taking it for a long period your body may no longer produce sufficient quantities naturally and you can end up with heightened estrogen and a lack of testosterone. That can leave you with less muscle mass, less strength and breasts.
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Yep, then you'll have to change your username to Hooter McBoob or something allong those lines and buy a bro for those man t!ts...lol.

[DickHardman]

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[eXcessiveForce]

by themselves they are useless other than some possible side effects.

even mixing them is not really going to produce any major tangible results. Your body is not going to be able to convert much of it into testosterone.

Mostly you will be wasting your money.

[DickHardman]

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[eXcessiveForce]

The crap people told me about when I owned my gym would astound you.

To keep it simple, people are idiots. There are so many idiots out there that will tell you they got results from things that they don't even know what they were supposed to do.

I've had people say they had great gains from protein powder, (they didn't lift though)
Others who took creatine and thought they added a ton of muscle mass, but their weight barely changed.

I took DHEA for awhile, no noticeable effects.

People have also come in and told me that their family members had been cooked from the inside out in a tanning bed. (you just have to shake your head at these and hope the don't breed)

Others were doing heroin and trying to gain muscle mass, (um duh)

So even if the people got effects it may very well be placebo effect and not relate to the supps at all.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

just get strong by lifting alot, drinking lots of water, eating alot of good food and taking whey protein or something. dont try to over-do it or speed up the process by taking steroids or pre-hormones or anything like that

[DickHardman]

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[slayer31]

dont let gym lure get you bro. its all crap. prohormones are a fuckin joke.

[Ghost]

youll still need to do PCT if you do prohormones. your body wont recover if you dont, if you are going to do something requiring PCT why not just go the whole hog and inject and get far better gains.

[DickHardman]

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[Ghost]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

what about herbal growth hormone stimulators containing l-dopa? do you know if those actually work?

wouldnt bother, i would expect it wouldnt come close to steroids.

If you are going to do something extra to build muscles i would personally do steroids, wouldnt recommend them to anyone that hasnt thoroughly researched them and understands the side effects and that you have to really train and eat right to actually keep the gains.

too many people think steroids = meathead. when in fact it just a chemical and people take all sorts of chemicals all the time, even paracetamol can kill you.
research, knowledge, sensible application. that the way forward IF you choose that path.

I should also add that if you abuse any drug, including steroids there are obviously going to be serious side effects.
Like anything if you are sensible the side effects are far fewer and less significant. i would tell anyone to do steroids though, its a personal choice and one i havent taken myself.