Crawling

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Mre802

Tom I appreciate your point of view, but i know that a boxing coach is good for one thing, teaching people how to box :P, and boxing has rules, the only rules follow is my morality. In a real fight im not going to be wearing padded gloves, the sort of conditioning effect im after is the hardening of my fists.

Boxing training will harden your fists a little, but the most important thing is that it will condition your wrists, forearms and elbow to line up properly to deliver rock-solid punches.

Toughening your fists is really small part of the equation, although its still part of it.

The great thing about boxing training is that it teaches you how to punch and through regular sparring, get used to landing your punches while blocking, slipping or negating your opponents punches.

Check out some videos of Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr, Oscar De Lahoya etc. - these guys know how to fight with their fists.

Why not pick boxing as your base and then use the dirty stuff as a bonus?

That's my 0.02 Rial, keep the change and good luck with your training!

[Ghost]

hand strength comes from the muscles in the hand. if you want rock solid fists then work on the muscles in the hand. they are the ones that make the fist solid. think that without muscles you cant make the fist. how tight and strong the fist is depends on how strong the muscles in the hands are.

good old weight lifting helps with this but you can look up on google high resistance hand grips, which are like your normal grippers you buy but stronger and you can look up plate flips, these work really well and google farmers walks. all stuff i think should be part of every martial artists routine.

[Michael Wright]

Originally Posted by Mre802

Tom I appreciate your point of view, but i know that a boxing coach is good for one thing, teaching people how to box :P, and boxing has rules, the only rules follow is my morality. In a real fight im not going to be wearing padded gloves, the sort of conditioning effect im after is the hardening of my fists.

And is that what you think a real fight is, a knuckle conditioning contest?

A real fight will be over in seconds, unless you are bad at it, which given your view of Boxing is not unlikely. Either way "conditioning of your fists" is a load of horseshit. If you hit teeth you're going to get cut, if you hit hard bone such as the jaw or skull the small bones in your hand will bruise or maybe break. You won't feel any of this at the time, you'll be in adrenal surge, so it makes no odds.

The best way to avoid all this, to hit someone cleanly, with accuracy, and to drop them hard......is to learn to Box. Spending your time crawling round your house bashing your fists on the floor has nothing to do with a real fight.

[Mre802]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Why not pick boxing as your base and then use the dirty stuff as a bonus?

haha KFM is my base

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

And is that what you think a real fight is, a knuckle conditioning contest?.

No that is a ridiculas idea

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

Spending your time crawling round your house bashing your fists on the floor has nothing to do with a real fight.

Yes it does. There is plenty of evidence that applying strain to your knuckles, wrist and forearm will effectively harden your punches. And punching things randomly has two effects, you become more tollerant to that sort of pain from killing nerve endings in that area and increases BMD (bone mineral density). How do u think shin rolling works.

[Michael Wright]

To cut to the chase: In my opinion you are focussing on the wrong things, and have a distorted view of the right things, like Boxing. However, all of this will come with time and experience, I just hope its not a painful one.

[Mre802]

I'm still waiting for my first 'real combat' expirence

[Michael Wright]

.....I know

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

And is that what you think a real fight is, a knuckle conditioning contest?

A real fight will be over in seconds, unless you are bad at it, which given your view of Boxing is not unlikely. Either way "conditioning of your fists" is a load of horseshit. If you hit teeth you're going to get cut, if you hit hard bone such as the jaw or skull the small bones in your hand will bruise or maybe break. You won't feel any of this at the time, you'll be in adrenal surge, so it makes no odds.

The best way to avoid all this, to hit someone cleanly, with accuracy, and to drop them hard......is to learn to Box. Spending your time crawling round your house bashing your fists on the floor has nothing to do with a real fight.

lol that sounded more like one of my replies there.

yeah mike is right here you are wasting your time, while i do feel hand strength is relevant in a fight and helps to some degree its a bit like have multicoloured hundreds and thousands on your cake instead of plain silver ones, nice addition but its not the base of the cake like you seem to be assuming.

what you need is to work on your basic ingredients.

EVERYONE seems to be looking for some majic ingredient that is going to make them better, crawling. death touch. some special technique that is only whispered about and so on. this falls into that category in my opinion.

its also my opinion that these ideas are the realm of the weak minded.
The way to be succesful im afraid is to put all the work in that is required. to dismiss boxing in favour of knuckle dragging or whatever it is, is a bit silly to say the least.
i really hate the arguement about gloves protecting your hands therefore boxing is crap. as if boxers suddenly turn into daffodils as soon as their gloves are removed. go look at some bareknuckle boxing. look like boxing at all?

My point also is that if you are looking at ways to do certain things, like stregnthen your grip then do it the way other people do, the tried and tested way, and do it for the right reasons.

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

And is that what you think a real fight is, a knuckle conditioning contest?

A real fight will be over in seconds, unless you are bad at it, which given your view of Boxing is not unlikely. Either way "conditioning of your fists" is a load of horseshit. If you hit teeth you're going to get cut, if you hit hard bone such as the jaw or skull the small bones in your hand will bruise or maybe break. You won't feel any of this at the time, you'll be in adrenal surge, so it makes no odds.

The best way to avoid all this, to hit someone cleanly, with accuracy, and to drop them hard......is to learn to Box. Spending your time crawling round your house bashing your fists on the floor has nothing to do with a real fight.

lol that sounded more like one of my replies there.

yeah mike is right here you are wasting your time, while i do feel hand strength is relevant in a fight and helps to some degree its a bit like have multicoloured hundreds and thousands on your cake instead of plain silver ones, nice addition but its not the base of the cake like you seem to be assuming.

what you need is to work on your basic ingredients.

EVERYONE seems to be looking for some majic ingredient that is going to make them better, crawling. death touch. some special technique that is only whispered about and so on. this falls into that category in my opinion.

its also my opinion that these ideas are the realm of the weak minded.
The way to be succesful im afraid is to put all the work in that is required. to dismiss boxing in favour of knuckle dragging or whatever it is, is a bit silly to say the least.
i really hate the arguement about gloves protecting your hands therefore boxing is crap. as if boxers suddenly turn into daffodils as soon as their gloves are removed. go look at some bareknuckle boxing. look like boxing at all?

My point also is that if you are looking at ways to do certain things, like stregnthen your grip then do it the way other people do, the tried and tested way, and do it for the right reasons.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Mre802

I'm still waiting for my first 'real combat' expirence

If that's the case, you might want to train with some folks who know a thing or two about punching - ideally a boxing coach.

Bottom line:

Learn how to throw a proper punch.

Learn how to set up punches.

Learn how to block, parry, slip your opponents punches.

Put it together while sparring - make it work. Check out the second fight (Ray vs. Jorge)

[Mre802]

Tom I am currently trainning fighting style, besides the fact that it teaches how to punch, the entire thing is based on instincts I'm not going to risk my progress because i'm also cramming boxing style into my muscle memory. And I know they interfere because a some europian countries boxing champ tryed out our class and i had to feed him pads ¬_¬ (my hands and arms where destroyed) despite being taught the thinking man guard he always reverted back to a boxing stance.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Mre802

Tom I am currently trainning fighting style, besides the fact that it teaches how to punch, the entire thing is based on instincts I'm not going to risk my progress because i'm also cramming boxing style into my muscle memory. And I know they interfere because a some europian countries boxing champ tryed out our class and i had to feed him pads ¬_¬ (my hands and arms where destroyed) despite being taught the thinking man guard he always reverted back to a boxing stance.

Can you explain what you mean?

It seems like you're saying that boxing is something useless to fighting and then you start to make less sense.

[Mre802]

Tom I am currently trainning fighting style, called KFM. KFM teaches how to punch, kick, stomp, elbow, knee, grapple, tear, gouge, bite and how to survive the concept behind KFM is instincts.

Ive been training KFM for about a year now; first thing i noticed is that the thinking man has been built into my insticts, for example if one of my friends is messing a around and throws something at me aslong as its coming towards my head I will put up my guard up. Its a very effective block when dealing with multiple opponent.

Boxing is another fighting style, considering I first posted this thread with a method of conditioning my body, and people have just told me to box confuses me. However let me set the record straight. Boxing is a great way to train punches, no doubt if I went to a boxing coach It would dramatically improve my punches and my fitness.

I also know if i ever find myself up against a boxer in a ring 1v1 he would be beat me(depending on his level obviously). But where I live i doubt i'm going to find anyone up for a fair fight in a ring.

Where you may have thought i was saying boxing is an ineffective fighting style. I was saying its an ineffective fighting style for me. Earlier i mentioned that KFM is based on instincts, I think KFM so effective because it trains techniques that are already instinctive; For example the kancataura (sorry my spanish spelling isn't top knotch) is based of the playground headlock, if you watch kids fight majoritivley they will resort to headlocks.

I don't want to change my instincts by boxing aswell as training KFM, its taken me about half a year to get the block down and im only just working body mechanics with my urban weapons and regular fighting.

The way it changes your instincts is by repeatative training, like every other fighting style it builds in your muscle memory (Muscle memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), this is why i wouldn't train boxing. In my previous post i mentioned 'some europian countries boxing champ' training in our class, I felt the power of his punches cause i was pad feeding him and he was going easy on me. Now because he had boxed for a long time, his boxing stance was built into his muscle memory so when my instructor came over and explained one of our drills he found it difficult because he had boxing instincts not crappy human ones :P

[Julie]

Believe me they will crawl when ready and u will wish they hadn't lol instead of toys use yourself call him over from a short distance if he is ready to crawl he will.




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[ltindiandaeng]

his sounds crazy but I have 3 daughters who are grown now but when they were small their favorite game was gorilla where I made like an ape and chased them around.The purpose was not for training just playing but fact is I think the whole thing made me more flexible and was good aerobics.Now I have granddaughter who likes same game,so I play with her in US and little kids here and I think it still helps me somewhat,but really I dont think it makes your knuckles stronger just maybe your arms or shoulders/n