protein

[stealthx]

i just found a large packet of gelatin in my pantry the other day. It says it is 88% protein and made from beef, mind you this is the same gelatin i use to make homemade jelly. Is it safe to use as a protein substitute, or will it have any bad side effects if overused, e.g constipation, or will the acids in your stomach break it down anyway?

[terry]

I don't know much about gelatin-base protein. What I do know is that most people get less than 120 grams of protein per day. An active athlete usually needs to increase this level.

I don't have the guidelines for protein intake in my head. Some fitness books will list this. It varies based on weight and level of activity. It also varies a bit based on metabolism, but this is hard to calculate and usually neglected in most non-clinical studies.

However, very high dosages of protein have side effects. I remember reading a clinical case study of a bodybuilder who used to take liver tablets, very high in protein, to get to an absurdly high level of protein intake (3000 grams per day). After six months his liver gave out and he died of hepatic shock (liver failure).

[Szczepankiewicz]

Eat a balanced diet. Adjust your caloric intake to meet your active lifestyle.

All these supplements and quick fix solutions aren't really solutions and they all have some sort of side affect.


You can do more for yourself by eating right and drinking plenty of water than eating garbage and trying to counter that with supplements.

Of course, all this is from a guy who eats entirely too many hamburgers.

Spanky

[Tim Mousel]

If it's 88% protein that may not be much if the enitre packet has only one or two grams of protein. I've not heard of anyone supplementing with gelatin.

Keep this in mind for your protein needs:

For sedentary (inactive) individuals, protein instake is based on the RDA of 0.8 g/kg bodyweight

For strength athletes, protein intake should approximate 1.6 g/kg bodyweight

For endurance athletes, protein intake of 1.3 g/kg bodyweight is recommended

If you want to convert this to pounds take the grams of protein and multiply it by 2.2.

Tim

[Disciple]

Some protein is of very poor quality when it comes to working out. Stick with lean meats and dairy products. As far as supplements go, the good ones contain whey protein, milk proteins, casein and egg albumin, alone or in combination.

[PatTheRat]

I usually buy the cheap WalMart brand of dehydrated non-fat milk. I have a tall plastic cup that I mix a packet with some water and a couple tablespoons of Nestle's Strawberry Quik for taste. It's like drinking a whole quart of milk without all the bloating. I drink this when I get back from lifting. It also has no fat. I used to mix in a couple teaspoons of dehydrated egg whites, but the dehydrated milk alone gives me about 30 some grams of protein, which is about all the body can assimilate at one time without it turning to fat. Adding the egg white boosted it up to around 50 grams of protein, but as I said, it may be wasted anyway so I just drink the milk.

[Paul Wilson]

I wouldn't. It's gelaten isn't it.
to much sugar.
Sugar will slow down the process of over nutrients being digested. So the protein you are getting out of it will just come back outs as sweat and poop.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Paul Wilson
I wouldn't. It's gelaten isn't it.
to much sugar.
Sugar will slow down the process of over nutrients being digested. So the protein you are getting out of it will just come back outs as sweat and poop.

OMG you are a genius, aren't you? Gelatin is not sugar. Its actually protein. Its made from boiling animals bones (and other bits). Its basically connective tissue. You are thinking of Jello, which I think is actually agar based these days (made from seaweed proteins) and sugar.

How does sugar slow down the process of "over" (other?) nutrients being digested? Hmmm, Dr. Nutrition? Sugars, especially simple sugars, are metabolized more rapidly, but even if it did slow down digestion some how, you're still going to digest. Then I'm totally mystified by the sweating out protein. I've never heard of people sweating protein. You sweat out electrolytes, but protein? And sweating protein because it has sugar and/or gelatin in it? That is new physiology to me. And pooping out protein? I imagine some amount of protein could go unprocessed. Maybe. But why would you exrete protein because you ate sugar? Seriously, have you actually studied sports nutrition or do you just make this all up?

[Lizard]

There is a misguided beleif that you can rub magical products onto your skin and when you sweat it will make you sweat out fat. Perhaps this youngster has extended this theory to protein. He is so arrogant.

[platinum_angel]

buy alot of beef jerkey...............or just make it yourself if you can................and eat alot of peanut butter

[Lizard]

Originally posted by platinum_angel
buy alot of beef jerkey...............or just make it yourself if you can................and eat alot of peanut butter

Peanut butter only counts as a full protein if you eat it with bread or something similar.

Protein is made up of amino acids. Eggs, meat and cheese contain all the amino acids you need.

Peanut butter contains some but not all, bread has the amino acids that peanut butter doesn't have so if you mix them you get the full protein.

[Paul Wilson]

Originally posted by RobertG


OMG you are a genius, aren't you? Gelatin is not sugar. Its actually protein. Its made from boiling animals bones (and other bits). Its basically connective tissue. You are thinking of Jello, which I think is actually agar based these days (made from seaweed proteins) and sugar.

How does sugar slow down the process of "over" (other?) nutrients being digested? Hmmm, Dr. Nutrition? Sugars, especially simple sugars, are metabolized more rapidly, but even if it did slow down digestion some how, you're still going to digest. Then I'm totally mystified by the sweating out protein. I've never heard of people sweating protein. You sweat out electrolytes, but protein? And sweating protein because it has sugar and/or gelatin in it? That is new physiology to me. And pooping out protein? I imagine some amount of protein could go unprocessed. Maybe. But why would you exrete protein because you ate sugar? Seriously, have you actually studied sports nutrition or do you just make this all up?

Well it takes along time to digest and you brain disided to digest the sugar before other nutrients. Then when the sugar goes to high it will be turned into glycogen by insulin. And stored in the liver as glycagon slowing down the process of othe nutrients to difuse into the blood. So sugars are no good for you realy carbs are much btter as they are be stored.
Sugars will give you head acks aswell thats why insotonic drinks are better then lucozade glycose.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Paul Wilson


Well it takes along time to digest and you brain disided to digest the sugar before other nutrients. Then when the sugar goes to high it will be turned into glycogen by insulin. And stored in the liver as glycagon slowing down the process of othe nutrients to difuse into the blood. So sugars are no good for you realy carbs are much btter as they are be stored.
Sugars will give you head acks aswell thats why insotonic drinks are better then lucozade glycose.

A sugar is a carbohydrate you moron.

[Lizard]

He means complex carbohydrates. He must have got that out of a book or something. No one who claims that protein can be sweated out could really understand what he just said.

[falcon3624]

There are two types of carbs Paul complex carbs and simple sugars. Simple sugars would be the kind of carbs that you would find in a soft drink for instance. Although these are not good for you most of the time your body will dispose of them within an hour or so. The complex carbs are what is found in bread, white rice, pasta, etc.......This is what alot of obesity is blamed on because most people eat way too much bread and pasta and so forth. Carbs are fine in the proper amounts and are used to make energy for the body to run, but when taking in too much the body turns the extra carbs into stored fat to be used later.

Protein is essential for anyone that is looking to put on muscle, but you should watch your intake levels. Most doctors with tell you not to take more than 1g per pound of bodyweight, but for someone who is in a serious weightlifting program and doing alot of physical activity should really go more. I weigh in at around 240lbs. and on average I take in about 250g-300g daily of protein. I take in different kinds of protein though, and you don't want you diet to consist mainly of just one protein. You see alot of bodybuilders that eat tuna fish all the time and this is fine and all but due to recent studies the FDA is not sure how safe this is because of the alarmingly high levels of mercury in tuna fish. I like the whey protein supps for when I don't have time and for before and after workout because the whey protein absorbs really fast into the body and that is what you need before and after workout. Food protein is better say for during the day and before bedtime because it absorbs much slower. A good idea (what I like for work when I don't have time) is to get some of the swanson canned chicken. It's already cooked and everything all you have to do is pop the top and eat, and it's pretty good too!!!

Whey protein is usually sold these days in concentrate or isolate. Really the only difference is the isolate is a little more ingestable so that is what I always suggest. Whey should be taken before and after workouts if you work out like me. Usually I don't hit the weight for more than about 45min. or an hour because if you do more than that (PAUL) you will never see results. I usually try to take in about 25g before workout and then about 40g after workout. It is important to remember though that the body can only handle about 32-34g of protein at one time and the rest is turned into stored fat just like excess carbs. The reason I take about 40g after workout is because the muscles are tired and worked to their max and they are scavenging for some protein and amino acids to rebuild with so they can use the extra few grams. I hear alot of people tell me that they take whey protein shakes with water and this is something that should never be done, all whey should be mixed with milk. Not only is the taste much better but there is a big diffence in how much you really get to use......You see water when in the stomach is passed through extremely fast whereas milk is passed through kinda slow. So what you end up getting is that most of your protein is lost when mixing with water because you system takes it in and shoots it back out again.

Food protein has it's place too, and I feel it should have a much bigger place than whey protein supps. Most of my protein is taking in food throughout the day. I eat about 6-8 meals of food protein daily and you pretty much have to if you want to get big. The good thing about food protein is because of it's make-up it takes a fairly long time to digest so it's in your system being used for a while. This is good for throughout the day when my muscles are still trying to rebuild from the day before. Food protein should be taken instead of whey before bed because the body breaks down more protein in your sleep than any other time of the day. Being that whey protein will break down and be dispensed in about an hour (give or take a little) the food protein is much better (takes a couple hours to break down).

One should also considering adding a fair amount of fiber to your diet if you are gonna go high protein. The high levels of protein can cause verious problem with you organs and stuff like constipation as well. The fiber helps to get stuff moving and releive some of the stress on your liver and so forth. I like flax seed (the seed itself). I get it and grind it up and put it in with my shakes. Flax has also been proven to help at maintaining weight among other various things it helps and prevents against.

Sorry, I wrote so much but I would have wrote more if my fingers were not tired........Just trying to clear up some things about a good protein diet.

As far as the gelatin....throw that crap away and go get you some chicken or a good lean steak!!!!