husnira

salam..
how can someone with nick got to do with medieval pig poker not believe in magic..?...you got me there...
by the way...for those who think everything is explainable...you are right...but not everything you can understand...why?...not everything you know...for those science lover please note the theory concept...keyword "theory"...in which means.."my guess is"....
respect the unknown...especially to you....
salam...

BoarSpear

whats using a boarspear to hunt got to do with believing in magic? I dont need magic to kill the boar, i need proper placement of the weapon...


believe in all the magic you want, but dont expect your opponent to be phased by your beliefs, expect him to be damaged by your physical techniques and your mental prepardness, NOT your secret magic powers....unless you wanna wind up in need of a witch doctor

Tant01

Mr. Spear, with all due respect you must be aware that the people of other lands and cultures do not share every idealology with westerners.

While science and violent force of action may be enough for some it does not fill the needs of others. You have a screen name that reflects an ancient (magical) weapon revered by many cultures. Surely you can empathise with the boar? Is it without spirit? Some may say yes, others no. (to me,) If it bleeds, breaths or breeds its a living soul and therefor it is worthy of respect and consideration like all of the living things provided for us by a generous Creator.

We do not worship ancestor spirits or pray for the pig, I doubt we are all properly thankfull for the many things we enjoy. We do not all slaughter our own food or treat a Bovine as a holy dieity...

I just want to kindly ask you to consider the faith and spirituality of others with some kindness...

Shamen are important community figures in the villages they call home and I don't think it's right to disparage the folks just because we don't share the same fundamental faith.


Thanks...


Ray.

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James Paterson

BoarSpear

PLUEEEZEEE give me a break, This is a martial art forum in the the USA and its 2006 .....you need not believe in magic (in fact its probably a detriment to your training) in order to grasp the systems....

Many idiots still hang on dim mak and the delayed death touch as magical mystical mumbo jumbo....even though internal bleeding was the reason for delayed death, not the "3 day death touch" (unless you count the 3 days it takes to die of internal bleeding) If you live in a culture that still has these beliefs, i doubt rather seriously they are reading ole boarspears posts to get insulted....if they do, i guess i have to risk the wrath of their voodoo curse over the net.

i think poking holes in the shroud of mysticism is good, it will allow you to examine the techniques in the light of day, free from any cultural beliefs that may have attatched themselves to self defense techniques due to local superstitions and religious beliefs.

Just for the record my favorite Tea (tazo) IS blessed by a Shaman, my Boarspear (nor the rest of my weapons) have ever been blessed by a shaman or danced around and had a chicken shook over them.

BoarSpear

My spear works just fine without anyone dancing around it first, although it does seem more fierce after the maidens finish dancing.

Tant01

Quote Boarspear>>>i doubt rather seriously they are reading ole boarspears posts to get insulted....if they do, i guess i have to risk the wrath of their voodoo curse over the net.

i think poking holes in the shroud of mysticism is good, it will allow you to examine the techniques in the light of day, free from any cultural beliefs that may have attatched themselves to self defense techniques due to local superstitions and religious beliefs<<<Quote



Very well. I respect your values as much as the next guy (maybe more) but I think there's a place here for the cultural exchange of principle and faith.

I find it interesting from the traditional approach as well as the historical. I wrote a post (to you) about the so called "poison hand" that you mentioned above. I must have not put it up but I'm curious because this is one of the darkest "secrets" I have ever known of...

If you're not talking about Dim Mak the idea of staging a death (or delayed death) is just another con game. Not a covert assassination method. Not "magic"...

Now, about your spear...?

Sanokat is a broad bladed variety. It is the primary weapon of Ceram and especially the people of Alefuru where it is the central topic of many legends and myths. Vows of brotherhood are sworn on them stuck in the ground. (a symbolic gesture no doubt) In legends these people hold dear (in oral traditions) a spear is said to miraculously cause water to flow out of the ground (not unlike a certain Bible story) Miracle, magic... maybe not but interesting all the same.

Also the people of Huaulu are said to be skilled spearmen with much respect for the weapon.

So, to Boarspear I will close with the famous battle cry of King Leimese:

Oto'o sala taha sala....Miss when you slash, miss when you thrust...

Try not to miss the wonderfull diversity in the world.

Thanks again...

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James Paterson

Tant01

But HE had to ask! Isn't that interesting to you? How can a guy using the screen name Boarspear NOT believe in MAGIC?

Have you never heard the many legends and miracles and traditions?

The spear is especially powerful magic! Just point it at someone like you mean to run them through and watch them turn pasty white and stand frozen on the very spot. They might even wet themselves! Now if THAT'S not "magic" I don't know what is!

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James Paterson

medic06

You're thinking of HYPOTHESIS. Theory is hypothesis which has undregone rigorous testing.

Garland

don't act so smug, there buddy.
I hear primates aren't hung as well as you'd expect.

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Tant01

Correct, like "DOWSING" Aka. water witching....

Horse whispering?

Bad luck?

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James Paterson

husnira

salam...
wow...by now,somebody should have got that the pig poking thing is just a sarcastic way of saying....u should know better....i dont want to qoute anybody but...this being an american forum..?...this is the internet for cry'n out loud...for somebody who know what a keybord is...u should know that this is international ground....
magic or not...is not the question...its about respect...respect your friend..respect your enemy more...but then again...from the writing...just a wannabe who watch to many kung fu movie....and playing with his pig stick...
my advice would be...find a religion...or at least your origin...stop borrowing other people's martial arts...u are embarrassing them.....
salam...

husnira

correct...sorry for the BIG mistake..now i get it....theory="thats what my mom told me"
thanks...what would i ever do without the exact fact...by the way...i always settle for the "idea" thing...but that just me...

Tant01

I just wanted to read that again....

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James Paterson

BoarSpear

The net may well be world wide, but this forum and the majority of its members are from the USA or other English speaking nations....regardless, those of us sitting in America have the ability to see past the local customs and beliefs of those closer to the traditional art but further from reality (scientific understanding) but much closer to folklore, and mythical cult worship of your local guru.

You go on and rely on poorly crafted local handmade weapons with cracks to hold the poison...and be sure to say an extra prayer to your gaurdian angel

Mindset, awareness, experience and skill coupled with courage defines a warrior, not which higher power he uses as a crutch to prop up his feelings of inferiority...

BTW YOU sound the one hung up living in movies and books that romanticize the BS not me....enjoy your charade...

No one WAS insulting you or your art, until now....Silat is a thing of beauty, you are a less so a gem of the martial world, perhaps with many more years of polishing you will shine...

husnira

salam...
like i said...find your own origin...how can a bilnd man know what is color when he dont even know what is black...especially those who dont even have eyes to begin with....
please...i'm sorry if i offended u....i think i over stayd my welcome in this thread...tant01...thanks for the heads up...
salam to all...