The Ultimate in Martial Arts

BaguaBoxer · 11-21-2004, 05:56 PM

That tears it I must practice an art "like" kung-fu and go to a school that says its kung-fu but according to all the experts on this site the training and sparring we do and the free fighting we do where my opponent tries his/her damnest to keep me from trying to defend or attack doesn't happen. Man I must be on some good drugs

Yinboxer · 11-21-2004, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BaguaBoxer

That tears it I must practice an art "like" kung-fu and go to a school that says its kung-fu but according to all the experts on this site the training and sparring we do and the free fighting we do where my opponent tries his/her damnest to keep me from trying to defend or attack doesn't happen. Man I must be on some good drugs

There are a lot of schools out there that only do forms. Just be glad you aren't in one of those! I don't understand how schools that don't have contact between students exist, especially if they are claiming to teach self-defense. I am not saying that you need to go full contact--that could be fatal if you are practicing the real deal. To paraphrase a quote from Bruce Lee, learning to fight without getting hit is like learning to swim without getting wet.

11-21-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yinboxer

There are a lot of schools out there that only do forms. Just be glad you aren't in one of those! I don't understand how schools that don't have contact between students exist, especially if they are claiming to teach self-defense. I am not saying that you need to go full contact--that could be fatal if you are practicing the real deal. To paraphrase a quote from Bruce Lee, learning to fight without getting hit is like learning to swim without getting wet.

...or its like making a PBJ without bread! I mean, come on people..think!....lol

Ironpalm · 11-21-2004, 07:21 PM

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Tom Yum · 11-21-2004, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kung-fwho?

I'll take the "probably" because you were kind enough to say "usually" in the sentence preceding, indicating (hopefully) that you realise not all kung fu practitioners are the same. Not all kung-fu is forms and cooperative partners, just as all Thai boxing is not tree kicking and elbows.

Tree kicking and elbows...lol. I can tell you're a fan of the Sunday afternoon genre. I am aware that some kung-fu styles train differently than others, if there is a kung-fu stylist out there that teaches reality-based self-defense, by all means talk about it. This is the time and place. But this is a group that likes to see and hear results; too often there are trolls rummaging about how a white belt in ABC-do schools a golden gloves boxer.

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Once again, all we need is mutual open mindedness. Please don't close the door to kung-fu as no art is perfect and no one person knows everything. Plus we've all heard it before...there's always someone better than you.

Sure, check out my previous posts. I am pretty open minded to whatever works, but I generally think that some styles can use more modern training methods.

LOL...training in the martial arts, I've gotten my @ss handed to me plenty of times; that's part of training. In general you train as realistically as possible while trying to minimize injuries.

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....also, you show me a MMA practitioner that has done one movement 10,000 times and i'll guarantee you that he looks like a kung-fu guy by the end of it all....because simply put, kung-fu = time and skill

Good interpretation of the word kung-fu and tie in to MMA. What style of kung-fu do you practice?

11-21-2004, 07:29 PM

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Tree kicking and elbows...lol. I can tell you're a fan of the Sunday afternoon genre. I am aware that some kung-fu styles train differently than others, if there is a kung-fu stylist out there that teaches reality-based self-defense, by all means talk about it. This is the time and place. But this is a group that likes to see and hear results; too often there are trolls rummaging about how a white belt in ABC-do schools a golden gloves boxer.

Sure, check out my previous posts. I am pretty open minded to whatever works, but I generally think that some styles can use more modern training methods.

LOL...training in the martial arts, I've gotten my @ss handed to me plenty of times; that's part of training. In general you train as realistically as possible while trying to minimize injuries.

Good interpretation of the word kung-fu and tie in to MMA. What style of kung-fu do you practice?

Any style that will be taught to me and any style that works, I suppose.

... by the way, I have checked quite a few of your posts and you definitely seem to be more open minded than most in these forums. Which is pretty rare in the martial arts community.

Tom Yum · 11-21-2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kung-fwho?

Any style that will be taught to me and any style that works, I suppose.

... by the way, I have checked quite a few of your posts and you definitely seem to be more open minded than most in these forums. Which is pretty rare in the martial arts community.

Thanks. Good luck with your martial arts training!

47MartialMan · 11-23-2004, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kung-fwho?

Anyways, back to the original conversation....why doesn't MMA give due respect to the various kung-fu styles? Lot's of reasons including: (1) All MMA events are run by BJJ types (2) And the truly effective (by effective I mean lethal) martial artists don't train to fight in cages with rules, they train to win in real life...not pay per view productions.

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bodhisattva · 01-28-2005, 03:17 PM

Mixed Martial Artists are simply waiting for Kung Fu guys to step up and earn their respect.

If your KF training has you fighting resiting opponents, often trying to raise the level of contact very high, then no NHB guy would defame it I don't think. Especially if it included grappling/clinch/striking ranges.

Most of the guys who bitch about Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, and their like are bitching about their lack of this. Their reliance on forms and outdated, immobile "stances" and blocks and all that crap. The main criticism is that style of fighting and training only works in class against classmates, or against the athletically unfit. We bitch about the kata and the useless repetition without a resisting opponent.

Thats why the Kung Fu guys don't get respect from the MMA guys. If they don't fit that description, then I don't think any MMArtists would have a problem with it. I know straight blast gym has many Karate/TaeKwonDo schools that pay for seminars to explore "alive" training. If that trend continues, MMArtists will be changing how they voice that complaint. They will mostly be saying, probably, "Those guys that never really fight" instead of naming specific arts.

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Scott Bolinger · 07-02-2009, 09:58 PM

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I don't understand how so many people in Martial Arts bash Kung Fu. Why don't more people take the time to learn it. Or does it take to long is the American "I want it now" attitude taking over martial arts even. If it takes awhile, like 20 years to become prficient in Tai Chi, then get off your a$$ and try. Don't go "Its fake, thats not possible." just because you don't have the discipline or brass tacks to learn it. All styles have good points and bad points. It's the balance Yin and Yang that is found in all life. My ultimate point is If you haven't done it or tried it the how can you criticize it. Answer simple you can't. And just because you can't do something doesn't mean somebody else can't.

Yeah Kung Fu

well, back about 20 years ago when I studied Kungfu, it was the first art, that the katas actually naturally came out in my fighting style. That was kind of cool.

you can usually learn from any art to add to your own because know art is trully complete

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BaguaBoxer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: tampa, fl Posts: 41 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	cooperative That tears it I must practice an art "like" kung-fu and go to a school that says its kung-fu but according to all the experts on this site the training and sparring we do and the free fighting we do where my opponent tries his/her damnest to keep me from trying to defend or attack doesn't happen. Man I must be on some good drugs __________________ Hurry to meet death before someone takes your place

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01-28-2005, 03:17 PM	#69 (permalink)
bodhisattva Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: nowhere Posts: 586 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mixed Martial Artists are simply waiting for Kung Fu guys to step up and earn their respect. If your KF training has you fighting resiting opponents, often trying to raise the level of contact very high, then no NHB guy would defame it I don't think. Especially if it included grappling/clinch/striking ranges. Most of the guys who bitch about Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, and their like are bitching about their lack of this. Their reliance on forms and outdated, immobile "stances" and blocks and all that crap. The main criticism is that style of fighting and training only works in class against classmates, or against the athletically unfit. We bitch about the kata and the useless repetition without a resisting opponent. Thats why the Kung Fu guys don't get respect from the MMA guys. If they don't fit that description, then I don't think any MMArtists would have a problem with it. I know straight blast gym has many Karate/TaeKwonDo schools that pay for seminars to explore "alive" training. If that trend continues, MMArtists will be changing how they voice that complaint. They will mostly be saying, probably, "Those guys that never really fight" instead of naming specific arts. __________________ St. Louis MMA Training Club - MMA Boxing / Clinch / Submission Grappling / Wrestling Gym Portland MMA Training Club: MMA Boxing / Brazilian Jiu Jitsu / Greco Roman Wrestling

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