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[quote=Thai Bri]I mean compliancy, as in the vast amount of training being done on a willing partner who lets you perform the move. They even learn how to "dive", just like Pro Wrestlers.[quote]

Good point. Got it!

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It's a given that "compliancy" can be damaging to our training. But in order to learn technique in the first place. We need a degree of compliancy. Wouldn't you agree?

By the way, NO single persons technique, no matter what they practice will win against against a drugged up gang of armed 20 stone loonies.

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Thai Bri

Yes, compliancy is fine in the early stages of learning a technique. So is air punching, and most here know how much I hate that!

But "progression" seems to mean more impressive looking techniques against compliant partners to these people, when it should mean gradually reducing the compliancy in the basics.

20 stone drug crazed loonie gangs are, mercifully, rather rare!

akja

I knew we would begin to agree sooner or later!

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darrianation

I agree that when learning techniques for the first time whether it is a jab or a knife disarm It needs to be done slow and with a cooperative partner. As the student learns and advances these techniques need to go faster and faster and with less and less cooperation from their partners. It really shouldn’t take that long before everything is done at full speed and without any cooperation at all.

I see black belts still doing defenses slow and with cooperation. This stuff should be gone by the time a student reaches his/her green belt, if not before.

I taught a newbie with no prior MA experience and I had him do defenses going full speed without cooperation in a couple of months and full contact sparring in a month.

Once as student learns the basics it’s time to move on.

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Jitsu

Fortunately or unfortunately, there is no real sparring in JJJ. We spar at my dojo but we limit the use of JJJ .ie(Sweeps, throws and limited locks are okay, but many setup strikes are not employ in sparring, chicken wrist shots to the chin, throat shots heel palms to the face breaks at the elbow etc are not done).

The art does not lend itself to being out of control, if so partners can get damaged. Though, the cooperation in the dojo is not should not be to help the attacker it should only be the uki who cooperates to avoid the pain that he is feeling and that person on the street is sure to feel( ie I choose how to fall the attacker chooses to make me fall, my job is to keep from falling but if that choice is taken away I will at least choose my landing.)

The attack/partner does not have to cooperate at all. If he does not follow the pain he will feel more "Sankyo", if he does not choose to turn into a throw he will land on his head or back "Tai toshi". If in practice he wish to throw a different punch than what we are practicing Im just force to use a diffent move than what I was practicing.


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Hardball

Nice post...................My school of Japanese Jujitsu has a "Heavy Influence from Judo". We train heavily in weapons also. I agree with all of the above. The training is rugged especially being an uke. The strikes and kicks are well just that; strikes and kicks.

Cross training in other systems is best though. IMHO Nice Thread!!

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Si Williams

I've been to a japanese jujitsu class and in my opinion it wasn't very good, it was probably due to it seaming a soft class; the throws weren't done properly, people were tapping out miles before the lock was even put on. Im sure that i was just unlucky with the choice of club. I found a much harder British Jujitsu club which did everything simply better, all round a better club. i don't want to put anyone off Japanese Jujitsu, but simply to warn them in looking round for different clubs, if your at a class which you believe is a bit soft, then look around for alternatives, its not worth you staying and getting a belt that you don't really deserve. (Not just Jujitsu but in any style obviously)

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Hardball

It is not wise to make generic statments based on a narrow experience. You've just discredited people who have worked long and hard hours at "Ruffhouse" Japanese Jujitsu dojos. Before you make a statement like that on the world wide web I would suggest you broaden your training experiences.

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